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That's a brilliantly constructed logical point, that a mindless random agent behind a computer would lead to distrust. There is no coming back from that from an atheist point of view.
Ответить"Everyone here knows it is nonsense" without presenting evidence that Jesus did not rise from death, is unscientific!
ОтветитьHow lucky I was to have a Christian mother. Hard to imagine having a atheist parent .
ОтветитьHow can Peter Atkins use the words "truth" or "evil"? Those words presuppose a standard that includes untruth and good but how can there be a standard when there is no purpose or value?
ОтветитьRising from the dead simply means becoming enlightened. If people understood that the Bible is METAPHYSICAL, then they would understand it and that science and religion are the same thing, but in different language.
ОтветитьPerhaps we need two planets; one with atheists and the other with religious believers. One of fact and one of belief.
ОтветитьGod who.
ОтветитьIrish guy's playing up to his national stereotype, talking nonsense, I'm half Irish and when I ever hear anything about Ireland its religion and violence glad I wasn't born there. Religion and violence go hand in hand horrible.
ОтветитьEinstein was absolutely right when he said "It has often been said, and certainly not without justification, that the man of science is a poor philosopher.",,, and Lennox when he said "not everything that scientists say is scientific"!!! I second both (humbly!)
ОтветитьAtkins looks angry
ОтветитьIt is evident when an individual possesses genuine knowledge or is merely attempting to manipulate their beliefs. Peter, it would be beneficial for you to approach this situation with an open mind rather than engaging in unnecessary verbal exchanges. Open your mind, not your mouth
ОтветитьCan science explain everything? Yes, but only the questions that it’s sufficient to answer. All of the other questions that it’s not sufficient to answer are stupid questions. Wow.
ОтветитьJohn, you not only defended Christianity beautifully, you also modeled it beautifully. Atkins needs a little Christianity in his debating style.
Ответить“There is no evidence for a purpose to the universe, therefore it would be inappropriate for scientists to do a series of experiments to try to discover a purpose”
Why would someone say something so ridiculous? So, because there is no evidence we shouldn’t do experiments to find out? Should we only do experiments we’ve already done before?
Peter is so short sighted! Nonsense questions, non questions, because he can't answer them. Humans of course are limited on earth, he does not seem to understand this with all his so called intelligence! John you are amazing 🙏 ❤ God bless. I hope Peter finds the truth.
ОтветитьSounds like the lazy answer is "never God"
ОтветитьI congratulate Peter for making it unbelievably easy to believe in God after the many responses he's said 😆😆
ОтветитьI think Atkins is an old fool. Whether he believes in God or not. What I saw is a tired and an unhappy man lives in his own dreamed world. I hope he find peace before it is too late for him
ОтветитьWhy? to mention all titles of people? It is not God's VIEW..
We do not start, and end with titles.
Like from dust to dust, BUT with God given PERSONALITY
The smart arse quips of the redundant clowns of atheism! O how very droll to the would be superiors of the rational atheists.
Atkins might start a new Atkin's Diet, where you starve your brain but repeat tired quips of the cynic
Peter blindly disbelieves
Ответитьif Im in physical pain science is pretty useful. Metaphysics is when nothing hurts except your imagination
ОтветитьWhat I can't figure out is why Lennox has refuted Calvinism? It's double-speak
ОтветитьJohn is an idiot. It's actually mind boggling how cognitively limited mathematicians are. They only know math. With regard to math - they are fcuk stupid
ОтветитьIf that Christian's patience doesn't prove the existence of God I don't know what does.
ОтветитьThe concluding statement of John Lennox put tears in my eyes.
ОтветитьWow John Lenox sure can believe stories of things that seem impossible implausible and ridiculous ie the supernatural . And appear so conceited I would be frustrated too Listen to such silliness from a supposedly educated person Atkin has said nothing unreasonable . Lenox has effectively talk about a rotting man can come back to life .. something any reasonable person would and I believe should discount .
ОтветитьI have tried to give Peter the benefit of the doubt as best as I can, as a Christian, and take on board his arguments. Not least as he is in enemy territory as it were. Yet he began by saying that “asking what the purpose of the universe is” is a stupid question. Then states “the greatest question of all is why the universe exists.” Is not asking the reason for existence the same as asking what is the purpose? I wonder if he would say “I meant to say how is it possible that it exists.” It strikes me that even if he could answer how it is possible, he would then feel it unnecessary to ask what is it all for?
Surely that is the most important question and the next logical step if one did discover how it came to be?
Peter is arrogant, insolent, proud and hostile towards John, as shown by his lack of eye contact and body language. Disgusting, rude, cold, toxic and blinkered person. I would still think this even if I were an atheist.
ОтветитьIts Simple, Atkins born in a fraction of the fabric of the world and time, DISCOVERS what is and has been already there and defines it by his own set of understanding of the current time resources. And thinking this is all it, and ALL is and will always be more than we can comprehend and much less what we idealized.
Earth was the center of the Universe once.. oh well not anymore. How are other things then? Maybe a bunch of nothing, as if there was such thing as nothing.
I think that the mere fact that we can conceptualize the idea of “purpose” is proof that purpose is a thing in the universe. Otherwise we wouldnt even ask about purpose at all on any topic whatsoever
ОтветитьI've been saying, being new to this the thing that I've noticed in these types of discussions regarding everyone who represents the atheist side is that I don't want to be like any of them.
Just a really ugly set of humans man.
Excellent MC. Atkins is a perfect advertisement for the Grinch atheists!
ОтветитьWhy do all British young women sound like Emma Watson?
ОтветитьJohn Lennox to Atkins: “It’s important to listen to what Christianity has to say before you judge it.” Really? You don’t think that Atkins hasn’t heard what Chridtianity has to say? Also, Lennox, you grew up in Northern Ireland, where 79.6% of its population is some form of Christian. Even if a Northern Irish person grew up in an atheist family, being in that culture makes it likely you’ll also buy in
ОтветитьLennox: “God as an explanation for existence has more explanatory power than [a straw man explanation of] atheism.” Lol really? Where is your repeatably reproduced evidence for this John? I don’t know is a way better answer than incredulously attributing a very specific (Christian) deity, or any undemonstrated deity, as an explanation for existence.
Ответитьjust demeanour, presence. peter
Ответитьposture, legs in particular
Ответитьoh such a caricature of snob
ОтветитьExcuse my language but damn. Atkins is a douche
ОтветитьJesus was a real person and the man is dead. Bible is fiction imo. Doesn't disprove another realm nor prove it.
ОтветитьI pray for Peter Atkins that he will recieve revelation and come to know our lord and saviour Jesus Christ ❤
ОтветитьA lot of people just love how awful Atkins is and are just honored to believe the shame thing as John. Appeal to emotion, appeal to incredulity and special pleading. 99% of the arguments to explain belief in God are guilty of one of these fallacy’s. The truth is if God was a real thing, there would be no need for arguments let alone fallacious arguments to justify one’s belief in the God, there would be evidence and if God had wanted to make it so, we could live in a universe that was very clearly made by a God, that very clearly wanted each one of us to love him/her, we most certainly do not live in that universe, so God either doesn’t exist, doesn’t want some people to know he exists or doesn’t care if people know he exists, whatever the case it’s not the atheist who is at fault, it would be Gods problem. And even this would just get to the deism god the God assert by the abrahamic religions has been explained out of existence that God doesn’t fit with what we know about our universe. There are far too many contradictions and mistakes in all the texts to be anything more than the collection of books drafted up by middle age humans. Nothing is a mystery when you read the books through that Lens.
ОтветитьAlthough we have taken a long path as soul and ultimate answer seeker, we deviate from everything in favor if the assumed reality and uktimate truth spearheded by science and intellectual, actually evrything is that simple, that God sacrificed everything for us that we as his sons are also expected to do so. It is in unconditional love for our fellows and full trust in Him that we cand find uktimate hope, real justice, and eternal life. All we need to do is extend our faith to him beyond reasons
ОтветитьThe moderator seems biased towards Lennox
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