Did Rurik exist? The Legend of Russia's Founding Father

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Roderic is as celtic as is germanic. Celts and Germanics shared some things in common, the language being one of them, don't forget for example that ruler or king in celtic was rix and rigos and the western germans adopted that word for their rulers, being them reik, rik, riki.

It was common for west germanics also to adopt names from both celt and germanic like Boiorix, Lugios, Caesorix, Teutobod, Hermanaric, Balomar, Frederik, Theodoric, among just a few...

Been following both your channel and I gotta say you never disappoint

Wow, ur videos are really informative! I'm curious, did you study I university?

I knew of Rorik of Dorestad (btw the "st" in "Dorestad" is pronounced in the same way as the "st" in "sting") but i had no idea of this theory connected to him.

Would be funny if the "Rus" did indeed come from the name of nowadays just a province here in the Netherlands

"The tragedy of the normanist debate is that it neglegts the importance of these marginal groups in favour of the Slavs or the Scandinavians"
Why is that a "tragedy" or a problem? Russia grew out of the Scandinavian trade route to Constantinople and Arab empire. And its language became Slavic. Thats just reality. So what on earth are you on about?

Pls,explain me this,why all thoose,so called slavic peoples,used bulgarian alfabet and languadges,are so simmilar,as bulgarian dialects,just check roots ot the words,when historian say,we are some mongol-tatars?Why not used scandinavian,latin,greek,arabic,but bloody, stupid bulgarian?How many bulgarian princeses,from tcar Simeon dinasty have Kievan Rus?90% of first bulgarian(slavic)literacy is in Russia,since Basil the Bulgar slayer,we dont know the truth,for sure until dont see her,if is not destroied.Too many empires,try to destroy the Truth about Europe for their oun interests.Try ti find legend for two brothers Kutigur and Utigur,for example,from Procopius,or Georgian legends,i forgot.Healt happynes and good luck,for the chanel :)

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interesting addition, in Russian there are no words starting with or contains f. The letter "f" was not originally present in the alphabet. It was introduced specifically to indicate the sound in borrowed words. The appearance of the letter dates back to the 13th-14th centuries. Therefore, almost all words in which it occurs are borrowed. this is about the theory of fresen

The Early Middle Ages in Eastern Europe is an amazing topic, poorly covered even in Russia, a topic that often falls victim to misinformation and fantasies of neo-pagans and pseudo-historians. It's a pity that your videos are only in one language.

i will keep asking til ik for sure are you the same person as the gold and gunpowder channel?

just ruZZia's is it? do we need this total bullshit propaganda with what is happening in Ukraine? suck up to putin elsewhere!

How many time to need reapeat it . If Rurik excited he was not founding father of Russia. Have you heard anybody calling first Merovingians or even Carolings as founding fathers of Germany or Italy. It is exact same situation in Old Rus what later changed into Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia and then was part of GD of Lithuania and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwelth until Russian Empire occupied it what is today known as Ukraine. Though Princes of Moscow loved to call themselves Rurikovitchi and following Russian Empire spread that version actively it was 100% invented propaganda with only one goal to conquer the Ukraine and incorporate it into Russian Empire. Every time you calling Russians (muscovites) as originating from Old Rus you are spreading Kremlin propaganda.

I feel the most important lesson is, russia could have remained a democratic republic to this day if Novgorod had survived.

while I'm mostly interested in Viking era topics, I would love to see your take on two very different subjects: a) Bereg, Ermanaric, Theodoric: The Chernyokov/Santa de Mures culture to rhe fall of Rome & b) the Tatar Yoke vs Novgorod: how they formed modern muscovy.

oh! Please make a mega playlist of all your videos, so we can binge on repeat.

O seu canal é interessante Já pensou em ampliar o seu público Alexandro ao seu vídeo a opção de dublagem e eu sou brasileiro só para você saber

Wouldn't it also be possible for Rurik to have been a Western Polish Slav named Jurek (Farmer)?

The point of this video is that the Baltic states aren't really countries, and they should be partitioned between Russia, Poland and Germany....

The earliest archaeological evidence of settlement in Novgorod begins only around 940-950. AD.. long after the official date of Rurik's arrival in 862. so either he was in another place, or this story is just a legend ..

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I'm hoping for the Best, but I'm ready for the Worst.....knowing Baltic Empire's slant on things. "Rurik" is irrelevant. Yes, there were probably adventurous Danes landing on Eastern Baltic shores and making trades for quite awhile, even before Germanicus wiped the so-called "Germanic tribes" out of "Germania", which at best was a mongrel horde of mixed ancestry. Another wave of cast-aways went East because of this Roman displacement, and these emigrants were called by their least common denominator...which was their folk beliefs...Van...plural being Vanr. Vanir. Not a tribe, but a quasi-refugee religion, clung to by refugees who lacked a homeland and who lacked any other significant power (their best men were killed by the Romans, and only wankers were left who cooked up a gay religion in an attempt to glue people together). Exposed to Roman writing, these desperate outcasts invented a story and a half-assed derelict script in immitation of Roman or Greek literacy about their historic greatness, which never actually happened. Jordane's wrote out some of this fantasy, as if it was history, because he wanted to feel elevated too, or appear knowledgeable to his audience. It's all imagined political drama, a scatter of differing fantasies, stitched together by a wanna-be, with no roots in actual reality. DNA says the Slavs were already there for thousands of years. Not 10 years ahead, not 100 years ahead, but WAY ahead of these jibberish talkers so that they could earn the exonym of "shit talkers", "unintelligible mumblers", "people who do not know how to speak", by the time that they arrived. Niemci. Niemcy. F*cktards who stumble over their own tongues. Learning History by watching "Vikings" is like trying to make a dog purr. Wrong at it's very core premise.

I would love to see a video about the founding of other slavic nations!!! Great video!!!

I knew I recognized your voice after listening for a minute. Its awesome you have this alt channel. Great video!

America label Rurik

So as slovene I can now also call myself a rus

"Eye-gor" later went to work for Dr Frankenstein...I saw it on the telly :D "Abbey Someone...Abbey Normal"...

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Thank you

We call it Königsberg, not Kaliningrad

Rurik was real. I haven't watched the video yet, but I'll write a list of the main arguments right away.

0. He is described as the ruler of Novgorod in the oldest chronicle.

1. There was no point in inventing him later, he is not some great king, nothing is known about his great deeds, unlike Oleg, who made a successful campaign to Constantinople, which was the most significant city in the world.
If someone comes up with a legend about ancestors (and the chronicler had no reason to do this on his own, and not by order of the ruling prince), then these will be ancestors with legendary deeds. Or majestic origins. Or allow to claim power in another land. Like in the 16th century, Russian tsars came up with a genealogy from Octavian Augustus. There was no point in inventing the origin from Rurik, about whom no one knew, and not to trace it back to the real and great Oleg. Rurik simply... was. He simply sailed to the Novgorod land with a group of his armed people, became the leader of the local peoples and fathered a son. Like many other similar Scandinavian leaders in the 9th c. This is a typical and very common phenomenon for the 9th century. But in the 12th century this was no longer relevant, so it would have been difficult for a slavic kievan chronicler of the 11th-12th centuries to come up with an event from the 9th century that would correspond so precisely to the era.

2. The chronicle is accurate in other details. The presence of Varangians among the inhabitants of Novgorod (Gorodishche) and Ladoga coincides with the time (second half of the 9th century) indicated in the chronicle. It is right in the existence of his relative Oleg and son Igor, which are confirmed by contemporary foreign sources. The chronicler clearly describes Igor and Oleg from his own, local sources, and not from the records of the Byzantine emperor about their campaigns. Knowing from other sources that Igor and Oleg were real, there is no point in thinking that the chronicler invented Rurik for no reason.

3. The Rurikovichs (and many other dynasties) had a clear tradition of passing on names by inheritance in honor of ancestors. And there were several princes later with the name "Rurik", and the first of whom lived in the 11th century, which is older than the time of writing of the chronicle. This clearly indicates the presence of a person named Rurik in their family in the past.

4. Rurik is a transparent Scandinavian name (according to the current consensus of linguists) in the Slavic form. But by the 11th and 12th centuries, the descendants of the first Varangians were assimilated among the slavic people. The assumption that Rurik was invented by the chronicler suggests that the Slavic chronicler from Kyiv of the 11th-12th centuries, inventing a name for the founder of the dynasty, does not take the Slavic name familiar to him, but, understanding well what language the Varangian leaders of distant Novgorod spoke, gives him a name from this language and in the exact correct Slavic form.

Taking all this into account, the chronicler wrote down a real legend about a real person, the same as Oleg and Igor, but who was not such a significant ruler, but just ruled (as a tribal chief) in the north and a smaller country, so the name of this one another Scandinavian in a distant and pagan part of Europe does not appear in Byzantine and Frankish documents, but it was preserved by his descendants, who created a mighty power. We can only say that such a person existed and he had a certain power in the Novgorod region in the second part of the 9th century.

P.s. Google translate, sorry if there are any mistakes

Moscovy is not Rus. It's funder is khan Uzbek.

There were Varangians (Norse, Viking) and they spread to Russia (and Ukraine): the archaeology is very clear about that: early Rus and the Danelaw/Normandy were just two poles of a same economic and cultural system. In both cases they adopted local customs and language and became Christian eventually. Furthermore, the Goths, who also originated in Sweden but centuries earlier, were also doing pretty much the same thing, just that using the Vistula instead of the Bothnia-Upper Volga system and with less known trading/boating emphasis, more primitive.

Sweden is dangerous.

Hrørikr af Dorestad founded Ukraine. Not muscovy, falsely called for "ruzzia", only founded in 1674.

Anti normanism came to be way before Russia seized control of Kaliningrad), it comes back to the 19th century and before. Those marginalized media rants are just something that always comes up every now and then.

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I think I remember there having been a DNA search attempt some years ago, by cross referencing people that descended from Russian and East European nobility that claimed relationship to Rurik. If I remember correctly the study indicated that they would have had a shared ancestor from Roden / Roslagen, Sweden, while being genetically Finnish. Which tracks with the Finnish settlements that existed in Roden / Roslagen at the time.

Again, I find this channel oddly spellbinding. Why? My sheer, persistent and utter ignorance of the subject. In the United States at least, it's as if the subject of history is treated like making children eat their vegetables. They don't want to. Thus you limit the number you can force down their throats. Yet, strangely, so many people - gamers mostly - become obsessed by completely fictional lore: Star Wars, Star Trek, Tolkien, The Elder Scrolls. It can be bewildering!

Haven't been watching in a while, but great video on a very cool topic once again! Here in East Frisia we've actually got a village called Rorichum after one or another Rurik - wouldn't count on it being the same guy, but who knows, eh? Haha

Good job peasant

"russia" appeared on the maps only in 18c Its a Muscovite rebranding name

Rurik was a descendant of Odin, a Scythian. His genealogy is traced to an area founded by Odins sons, is it not? Scythians are the tribe of Hercules. I am descended from the royal Scythians, too. Hercules was Samson of the Bible. This means Rurik is descended from the Jewish tribe of Dan. Russia was founded by Jews.

The story is mostly true, but without all that drama. The Varangians ruled many regions in Ruthenia , and a Varangian dynasty from northern Russia descended from a person named Rurik expanded and controlled all of Ruthenia and made Kiev its capital, and thus the state of Kievan Rus was born

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I've always wondered if the P to F (eg. Pater to Father) was somehow influenced by some dietary element like making flour/bread - with little grains of sand and stone in the bread from early Quern and grinding stones. With smaller, less perfectly made examples accelerating the grinding down and loss of teeth, leading to linguistic change. Moving to the agricultural diet could have changed our language as well as our health, as such. Not a hill I'd die on but just one of those ideas I have floating around in the back of the head..

Great video, thank you!

Moscovia has been trying to steal the history of Kyiv-Rus since Peter the Great invented "Russia." Don't fall for kremlin BS.

How long will you confuse Russia and Rus? Rus with the center in Kyiv, and Russia is old Muscovy