Sodium battery with higher energy density than Tesla cells charges in seconds

We're looking at spending about $5k on a 48v 25kwh sodium battery for an off grid site. Just a year ago we got a lithium 3.6kwh for about $2k. Sodium-ion is literally the way to go from here on out. Also, we've had one of the manufacturing companies give us some projected numbers based on our current setup, and in about 14-18min on our solar array, vs the lithium at about 4-6 hours depending.

Yeah just like Fusion Power is right around the corner. Problem is that corner will be turned in the year 2167.

You probably far from uk and don't know that they still proud of having old building and narrow streets. If you asking them , they prefer to back to the Victoria time and ride the horses instead of cars 😂

The sheer amount of research being conducted globally is really pushing battery tech further than many people have imagined possible and is really exciting. Commercialosing the tech is always the difficult & most expensive part the pace of progress is really positive.

Need to get real.

The average EV uses about 15KWhr per 100km. Typical daily use of a private motor vehicle is less than this (60km), but lets assume 100km and 15KWhr.

15KWhr can be delivered to the vehicle in ten hours at the 1.5KW rate.

In Australia a standard GPO is rated at 240V 10A so is readily able to deliver 1.5KW.

Consequently if you plug your EV into a standard GPO at 9PM your vehicle will have received sufficient energy for the following day's motoring by 7am.

Most EV manufacturers as recommend fully charging once a week. This can be achieved by giving the vehicle a long charge on weekends, or the occasional fast charge at a commercial DC fast charger.

In practice I have found DC fast charging only necessary about once every two or three months. The rate the DC charger delivers is pretty much immaterial as far as I am concerned, as long as it can do 50KW I am happy. I can usually get to 85% in about 15 minutes, take the car home and do the final top up to 100% on AC.

Engineers were really heavy into this makeup judging by title alone.

Game changer

Korea is the 5th country to make sodium ion batteries.
China, India , UK and Sweden have already produced these batteries which are practical.
China is going to mass produce these in this year or 2025.
India is ready to mass produce it before mid 2026 and UK hasn't announced anything.
Sweden's batteries aren't that compact so they are already using it in wind turbines and solar plants to store energy, because it can't be used in EVs due to it's big size.

Great News!!!

researches make all sorts of claims; when are these things going to make it into a real vehicle - plus - can the grid actually charge a vehicle in that sort of time? The Tesla Semi with the 4680 battery in it can be charged in 30 minutes but - you need a million dollar megacharger to actually boast the grid to achieve that; so it would be difficult to believe even if the battery were capable of this super quick charging that any grid could actually do it in anything but a small battery.

Petition to ignore every new battery „tech“ until its mass produced… Given enough time and money, my hamster can do small scale prototyping…

My understanding is that the Key benefits to look for is that the sodium battery can operate in colder temperature and less likely to catch fire due to not needing rare earth minerals.

As far as charging time and density, hopefully that will develop on its own.

The final solution might be a hybrid or combo of sodium and lithium batteries.

Even if the battery became a reality, to charge a 100kWH battery in seconds (lets be generous and make it 60 seconds) would require a 6 Megawatt charger per car, even if we assume 100% charging efficiency, which will never be the case. How on earth is the grid supposed to support enough such chargers to make the whole thing viable? At best, an unrealistic tease to keep the misplaced dream of electric utopia alive.

Actually 3 min is good enough considering how special chargers you must have.

If this can be commercialized, then you would be able to charge your car in less time than it takes to fill a gas tank.

How long have you been talking about 'super batteries', mate!?? We havent seen any yet! The last 5 years we've seen maybe 5-10% increase overall!

We live in exciting times. All the alternative energy naysayers act like we've come as far as we can. We are at the invention of the electric starter in the evolution of ICE. 1910, BTW.

A battery/capacitor can only charge as fast as we can move those electrons from the grid into it. The real world. I don't think the world is ready for 880V 1/2" charging systems.

sodium batteries have the problem of expansion and don't last the same amount of cycles that li-ion do yet. so they have a couple of huge hurdles to get over still.

Prototypes are easy, production is hard ( Elon Musk)

Great, yet again another miracle battery that changes the world! I won't hold my breath.....

I take this all with a grain of salt.

It will no doubt need expensive chargers.

Both Anode and Cathode are purposefully engineered materials, with unique frameworks to store and deliver ions. The paper states 100 percent coloumbic efficiency, which is remarkable. The small iron fragments engineered where found... basically it is a step function advance which can happen accidentally, sort of like when goodyear accidentally vulcanized rubber. Technology has leaps, usually by men, or even one man ...often a genius who is attentive. Its a shame Korean human capital will disappear in three generations due to low childbirth rates.

Good luck getting the Wankpanzer fixed. The insurer will probably go bust.

Apparently, firefighters are attending one Lithium fire per day in Victoria. The sooner they ban these cheap sub standard Lithium batteries the better. As I said before, Lithium is all but finished and is on borrowed time. Thanks Goodness.

Ah, the daily Watts per kilo bullshit bingo.
How small can a brain be to not understand Watthours per Kilogram, despite people trying to tell him this literally hundreds of times?

Rapid charging is utterly meaningless if you can't deliver the charge to a car rapidly. Just look at the size of a 350kw charging cable and this should be obvious. The reason it is so thick and enormous is that amount of current has to be insulated and actively cooled because the amount of heat given off. And in your car, to receive that charge there would have to be similar precautions to regulate the flow to what your vehicle can safely receive due to heat and existing state of charge. So it's all well and good to say "oh we can charge a battery in 10seconds", but it doesn't mean it will happen in practice, at least for private passenger vehicles. Maybe there are some niches were super rapid charging is desirable and worth paying through the nose for it but I doubt it will be cars any time in the forseeable future unless swappable batteries become a thing.

I have a feeling in 10-20 years most people won't own cares, automated taxies will be plrentiful.

Game changer
GAME CHANGER
The game is DIFFERENT
CHANGE!

A workable version of this battery would indeed be a game changer, however the amount to electrical current needed to do the fast charging cycle would be staggering, equaling about 10 times current KW charge rate.

The best battery tech would be a cell that can function like the current LFP, but have 100% recyclable chemistry and are cheap to do it. Personally I believe LR EV'S have enough range for 95% of drivers in the world. Infrastructure is the problem.

But where are all those wonderful lfmp ,shinzen, sodium batteries on the market? I mean tesla is still stuck with an old lfp battery and none of the other car makers are using them

👍👍

Pass the salt. I have an electric vehicle.

Science continues to surprise mankind

We are going to need charging cables that will nhandle all these Amps and charging speeds! I see cables the size of fire hoses, and battery storage the size of a warehouse like Costco stores.

Interesting.
There are lots of technologies out there. Some promising lab work with Lithium Sulfur and silicon batteries doped with other materials to minimize expansion.
Never read about breakthroughs in sodium ion. I always thought it was just a low cost option.

This flies in the face of every other source of info on sodium ion batteries, that shows sodium ion are inferior to lithium in every way except cost

Charge in seconds? What with? A lightening volt?

Home chargers would not likely exceed 6000 watts so about 10 hours would be needed because of the home wiring limits no matter what the battery could accept. If a roadside charger could deliver 100,000 watts at least 1/2 hour would be needed.

I read or hear "hybrid" - I swipe left.

Fun to imagine what cars will be like in 20 years says the Viking. Dude, they'll all be up in the air, yup, flying cars, 200 mph, point to point, none will be named Tesla!!!!!!! Have fun with that.

Charge a car to full in seconds ..... maybe if you had a cable as thick as my leg.

This sounds like another "breakhtru" without actual product.🥱
Bring the product first and then we'll see.

the left thinking only on control look back and you see it the hydrogen bom next
the nuclear bom both have a lot energy that they like to control i agree yes there
is a lot energy but like education is left and just as wrong with politics
they going the wrong way like a blind horse and they look to war materials
one canon is a canon many of them is a battery there focus is so on war material
so they dont see the real solution, it is none of there solution because the tray to make
from all this war material electricity because it have so many energy and than they
try to make electricity from it sure some will do because even in the air is electricity
that shows you do not need all big things because electricity is the solution
even made in the air and i am sure satelites are no generators who do that
it shows us electricity is simple only people making it complex and how do you think i can make it
because i am simple think simple but know that 1 and 0 the same is 50/1 = 50 50/0 = 50

Sodium is a highly reactive metal. Will this battery be a fire hazard?

To charge a 100kWHr battery in one hour the charge rate needs to be 100kW, but to charge a 100kWHr battery in one minute would require a charge rate of 6MW. To charge the battery in, say, 10 seconds would require a charge rate of 36MW -- where is that going to come from? Imagine a refilling station with, say, 16 charging ports each charging at 36MW, the amount of power required would be 576MW, which is a substantial fraction of what a large power plant can produce.

make up your mind what is it a capacitor or battery i help you a litle can it hold
a highvoltage capacitor can it hold a high amps a battery. why because a battery
is build from cels this have normaly not a high voltage a capacitor is in fact a cell
build some togetter and it is a battery the left with there word games do this

Ultra fast charging is not real. They will need to upgrade their 800V battery at least to 60000V