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If there was no apostasy, then why was a Reformation needed, and why aren't you Catholic???
ОтветитьI recently was told by a Mormon that Jesus was the God of the old Testament and became a man in the new.... could you do a video on that. Or if you already have what is the name of it?
ОтветитьPeer reviewed research from the Berkeley group confirm only a 1 in a 15 trillion chance that Nephi and Alma were written by the same author.
ОтветитьHere are a few scriptural references from both the Bible
New Testament References
Acts 20:29-30: Here, Paul warns that after his departure, grievous wolves will enter among the believers, not sparing the flock, and even from among their own selves shall men arise speaking perverse things to draw away disciples.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: Paul talks about the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him, warning not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of Christ is at hand. He specifically states that it will not come except there come a falling away first.
Death of the Apostles
The original apostles of Jesus Christ held the priesthood authority to lead the Church and administer its ordinances. As these apostles were martyred or passed away, a critical loss in direct, divinely appointed leadership occurred. Without apostolic succession, the church leadership's authority and unity began to fracture.
2. Corruption and Doctrinal Changes
As the early Christian Church grew, it encountered a variety of cultures and philosophies that influenced its doctrines. Over time, some of these influences led to significant doctrinal shifts that departed from original teachings. Important doctrines and ordinances were altered or lost, such as the nature of God, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost.
3. Formation of Various Christian Sects
Disagreement over doctrines and church governance led to splinter groups and various sects forming, each interpreting scripture and the teachings of Jesus Christ differently. This fragmentation is often cited as evidence of the loss of divine guidance and authority.
4. Councils and Creeds
In an effort to unify Christian belief and practice, church leaders convened councils, such as the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. These councils often decided theological issues through debate and voting, leading to the establishment of creeds. Latter-day Saints believe that such creeds reflected the philosophies of men mingled with scripture, rather than pure revelation from God.
5. Political Influence
As Christianity became more entwined with state politics, particularly after becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire under Emperor Constantine in the 4th century, political power began to play a significant role in church governance, further compounding the departure from Christ's original teachings and church structure.
By the Time of the writing of the Gospel of John.
Every Apostle was replaced with new leaders.
Rome already went through Sts. Peter, Linus, Sixtus, and Clement.
If the Church was invisible how could or why would Christ tell John to write letters to specific churches? Only possible if the were visible.
Which they are.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 is an interpolation. I can prove it.
ОтветитьJust found your account. Thanks!
ОтветитьPretty ironic that they push that false preaching would be a narrative for apostasy.
ОтветитьThe apostasy happened.
ОтветитьAll BS , Pritestants and laughable LDS .. All BS !!
ОтветитьExcellent video. "And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades (i.e. the grave) shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18. This clearly states the Church of Jesus could never die. Joseph Smith even directly accused Jesus of being unable to build his church. Smith arrogantly boasted he did something that Jesus couldn't do. "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." (History of the Church 6:408-409) Astonishing.
ОтветитьMuslims belueve sane thing as mornons that they are the final book an religion that muhammed received the final revelation that the bible had been corrupted an need new doctrine funny same angel that taught muhamned siunds like same one that talked to Joseph Smith
ОтветитьFunny muslims believe they received the final book that the gospel was corrupted an muhammed received the final book from God sounds like that angel was busy deceiving millions of people they follow doctrines of satan
ОтветитьThe "Catholic Church" and the "Roman Catholic Church" are not the same thing.
ОтветитьAnother problem saying the church fell into apostasy happened. Is saying man can stop the work of God by just simply just changing the words in Bible.
ОтветитьWhat has occurred anciently is what the enemies of God make every attempt to recur today.
Meaning that we've already experienced one great apostasy, and in a very real fashion, we are also experiencing a very similar apostasy now because of disbelievers who fight against God, who don't seek God's word, and who do not EVER seek after every good thing -
And guess what, folks? It also works pretty much the same way in the world of politics, with people who make every attempt to destroy our Constitution and our Bill of Right, and who also dismiss the Founding Fathers, and who tell us that such men were NOT as they have been portrayed to be in written American history, with the result that such imbeciles only re-write American history, and even world history.
Such people ONLY PROCEED UPON BLATANT LIES, AND THEY CAN'T SUCCEED UNLESS THEY ENCOUNTER FELLOW STUPID UNEDUCATED CITIZENS, OR FELLOW STUPID, ATHEIST, OR OTHERWISE FAITHLESS INDIVIDUALS -
Stupid citizens are the citizens who somehow believe America is NOT great, and was NEVER great, despite America's great achievements on a world stage in not even 250 years.
By comparison, much of the rest of the world has existed forever, and are still "small nations" with regard to how they treat their citizens, and what they have achieved for the world.
The USA surely has a very long list of firsts which typically gets deliberately missed by the world, - - such as the electric light bulb, photographic film, mass assembly line production, the first internal combustion engine used in automobiles for transportation, putting men on the moon, being largely responsible for the computer revolution ... so on, and so forth . . .
Debunk you're whole argument in 1 verse 2 thessalonians 2: 3 "except there come a falling away first" , therfore delete this account fam and repent come unto christ true church , the church of jesus christ of latter day saints.
ОтветитьThe same people who fight against the concept and reality of the great apostasy are the same people who constantly fight against God in all ways generally. The great apostasy is INDEED genuine, it did occur, and the world now suffer the results of it. Such people always reject truth, and they always seize nonsense to replace it.
They call evil good, and they call good evil. What else is new? This is how the world works.
If Joseph Smith thinks "ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors", then how did these errors end up in the Book of Mormon which multiple prophets claim to be the most correct book on earth (whatever that means)? Did Joseph know that there are 3 authors to Isaiah? What about the "long ending of Mark" which is in the Book of Mormon?
ОтветитьYes, and when did that little stone come?!? It came in the last days dummy, the days of feet psrt iron and clay!!! Christ set up His church in the days of the Roman empire, the iron legs!!! The little stone, which is the restored church, comes in the last days!!!
ОтветитьUnfortunately you protestans will lose out to mormons since you aren't as well organized. Even though they are toxic, they will win, regardless of truth
Ответить2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction
John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
If the apostasy did not happen, then the Apostasy is to come.
If the Apostasy has happened then a restoration of the priesthood was needed, if it did not happen then the priesthood authority is with the Catholic church.
Before the second coming an Apostasy has to happen.
LDS IS SATANIC!
ОтветитьGLM quotes the parable of the wheat and the tares to prove that there will never be an apostasy. This is a very subjective argument seeing as there are clear Bible verses describing a great apostasy. The Gospel is taught in this world as well as the world of spirits (1 Peter 4:6) therefore even if priesthood authority was removed from this world for a time it continued in the spirit world.
ОтветитьThe parable of the mustard seed proving no apostasy is even weaker than the parable of the wheat and tares supposedly proving no apostasy.
ОтветитьThe parable of the leaven is another very weak way of trying to prove no apostasy.
ОтветитьThe great apostasy didn’t ever mean the gates of hell were prevailing against the Kingdom of God. The Gospel was ever being preached to the dead (1 Peter 4:6) and it was restored to this earth in the 1800s.
ОтветитьApostasy is self evident. Take a look at all the protestant churches with different doctrines. Truth is one and Truth don't contradict If the Catholic Church is the original Christ Church, then what about the Eastern Orthodox and all the differing doctrines. How can there a True Church when they are all different?
ОтветитьIt was Paul that taught Hebrews 5:4 and also Paul that taught Ephesians 4:11-12. Paul it seems was called directly by Jesus Christ and at some point was an ordained apostle; 1 Timothy 2:7. GLM is very much in error to claim there is no need for an organised church.
ОтветитьGLM says that Jesus Christ’s church is invisible and represented by many small, local churches. GLMs unbiblical stance on churches and Christ’s authority is disputed by the Bible; Ephesians 4:5.
ОтветитьGLM says we were never meant to continue the office of apostle into the modern day. The Bible says Ephesians 4:11-12;
“11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”
Have the saints been perfected? Is the work of the ministry finished? What is the biblical reference that Jesus Christ will be abolishing the office of apostle like GLM intimates? Who has the keys of the kingdom now? Matthew 16:19. Does GLM have these keys?
GLM says reformers weren’t looking to restore the church but to reform it. Under whose authority did they reform it? Who called them to reform it? Who had the keys of the kingdom needed to reform it? (Matthew 16:19) Where in the Bible does it say men will need to reform Christ’s church in the future? There are certainly no Bible verses talking about a great reformation, of which GLM claims to be a part, and yet they actively criticise The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for saying there was a great apostasy.
ОтветитьGLM quotes Daniel 2:44 but this is talking about the last days and not the meridian of time when Christ fulfilled his mortal ministry.
ОтветитьGLM quotes Romans 11:4 as a supposed proof text that there was no great apostasy. But all that Romans 11:4 can confirm was that the great apostasy hadn’t yet happened at the time Romans was written.
ОтветитьGLM finishes by saying that if The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true then God is a liar. Can’t everyone see how much GLM hates The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)? They are a hateful, prideful ministry who don’t preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ but the hatred of Mormonism. Wow!
ОтветитьLong before Joseph Smith was born an Arab 1400 ago named Mohhamad taught Christianity had fallen away into apostacy.
Ответитьagueenchi117, I am in the right fold! I have studied theology and Mormon doctrine for more than 60 years. Read and study the second chapter of Daniel and ask yourself why Christ's kingdom was set up in the iron legs (the Roman empire), and then set up again in the days of the feet part of iron and clay (,the last days)! If the church and the kingdom was always with us, then why would it need to be restored again?!? Continued...
ОтветитьAsk yourself also why Peter prophesied in Acts 3:19-21 when he says that "the heavens will receive Christ until the times of the restitution of ALL things." Continued...
ОтветитьThis clown is obviously no theologian, but just an ignorant fool who doesn't understand that the woman, the bride of Christ, was driven in the wilderness for 1260 days (years, Jewish prophetic days)!!! Continued...
ОтветитьEvery apostle was ordained just like every priesthood holder was, and just because the Bible doesn't mention one, the pattern was obvious, except for the ignorant!! Questions,?!?
ОтветитьAfter years of placing material in front of my husband, he finally left Mormonism...Praise God!
ОтветитьI grew up Mormon and we constantly heard " I know this church is True" we were taught to say it as kids every fast and testimony metting once a month and heavily taught to say it on our mission. Now I know the true church is not physical but spiritual! It is the heart and soul not the body! Its not the LDS garment (cloth) or LDS temple reccomend (paper) but the heart!!
ОтветитьThe apostasy is really a false doctrine of every protestant religion other than the Catholic and Orthodox churches.
ОтветитьThis ignorant fool is no theologian! Just read my comments and study Daniel 2!!! It clearly shows that God's kingdom is set up in the days of the kingdoms of the earth in the last days!!!
Ответитьso dumb and a wast of time.
ОтветитьAMEN!
ОтветитьReading over the comments I can see Bible Prophecy being confirmed here. As someone who has been a member of the LDS church for 44 years I can understand the LDS comments. But as someone who left the church earlier this year I can only say this... If you don't read your Bible in it's entirety and in a balanced way you are only opening up yourself for deception. You can't take some parts of the Bible and reject other parts. Do you refute what Jesus said himself? Matthew 24: 4-11, 24. The scariest verse in the Bible to me is... Matthew 7:23, so I think you should take the time and find out... I think it's so sad that people reject God's Word. If you are going to claim to be Christian and that you believe in the Bible, than Don't you think you should read it and follow the Gospal That Jesus himself left us?? Just Sayin
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