Zed, Vim, And The Problem Of Editors

Prime: "You're just not good enough at Vim."
Thorsten: "Here are two things you didn't know about Vim."
Prime: 🤯

Plug-in dev Is there a scripting language, what language do you use and is there an api.

I loved this discussion. I'm developing an OS for creators (which includes devs, btw). It includes an editor/IDE... fully customizable. (i.e. any language can be used to modify it, even languages you create) All of these features are so easy to add and manage by anyone. I'll hit you up when we're in beta, Prime

Yank Buffer Deez Nuts

A tip for people struggling with the delete/yank/paste thing: register 0 always has the last thing you yanked. Bind a shortcut to "0p (include the double-quote) to paste from there (I use <leader>p but you could overwrite the default p behavior if you want).

[count]i is really nice for larger comment blocks. For example:

// ---------------------------------------
// My important comment
// ----------------------------------------

You can crank those things out 1 second with the key repeat.

vi prepper 😂 that hit home

Dart and Flutter.

We need ThePrimeTime podcast

For Mac Only! Why?

1 thing i don't understand about Zed is it's claimming to be a vscode killer, yet not supported on Windows where there is a huge chunk of vscode users there.

jq's command line interface is fine I guess, but I really am not that crazy about the language itself. been wanting to try jsonata or something instead

As an X11 window manager author I feel the pain XD

the tab bar thing is a NO GO for me, i don't want UI to take any place from my editing window that it don't need to.
UI need to be there for a reason, and not just to look good, ex. i use telescope to see my buffers if i need to know.
i only got 1 line for my status bar, with all the info i may need.
as long Zed can't do this, many of the really good devs don't want the editor.

I tried using Zed but like all editors except for VSCode and Rider (possibly also VS but I'm not going to be going there again) there is no support at all for modern dotnet, eg. Blazor and I suppose razor pages in general are just not supported. Only VSCode has a plugin that is able to add support. No idea why but something something Roslyn or what do I know. Just sucks that I am forced to use a specific product because no editors support razor files in 2024.

X11 problem.... this is where AI comes (or should come) in.

Tmux+vim integrated pane navigation, and vim slime make it almost impossible for me to switch to anything else

The colemak jab hurt, I was enjoying the video and just got smacked out of nowhere haha

now i should use Zed editor,on Zorin GNU/LINUX wich used ZFS file system for programming Zig

Great interview, thanks for this one

How does Zed compare with Helix? I like Helix better than NeoVim. Still haven't left VSCode yet, but I might one day.

You guys started talking about making software for developers were easier or more familiar because you know them, but ended out complaining about the needs of developers as well. I guess customers needs are universally tricky and annoying 😂

When writing in languages that act on a bit level (e.g. verilog/vhdl) you sometimes have to have exactly n zeros.

<n>i0

does really help for those guys 😊

Ok vim capital R users; come on out. What in the world do you use this for? I want to be convinced.

Thorsten really seems like a super cool guy, and I've been really enjoying how he's been documenting stuff at Zed in videos. That's really awesome that they talk about what they are building and their process, that's not very common but I think that's super interesting to hear!

1000gs for everyone who forgets to lock their screen in the office

10gs
5i
🤯

i know in 2024 ppl dont really care about rotoscoping and greenscreen skills but Flip really upped the quality lately. These vids are so fresh and crisp I can taste the details!
I bet even Prime licks his monitor.
Like, doesn't everyone lick each one of Primes videos?

these two gushing over vim motions is hilarious. the bromance is strong. buncha damn keyboard lickers. haha

I regularly do something like `println!("");`, put the cursor on the `"` and then do `50a*<ESC>` and I have a nice line of 50 *s that I can easily find in the logs when they're spammy and I need to focus on a specific section I'm working on.

omg thanx for q: i had no idea what a was typing

I've run usability tests on CLI tools and it is mind blowing. tested docs and also actually using the tool. also usability tested library implementations down to function names for packages that are going to be used by other people. amazing experience.

Obsession with editors is just a way to procrastinate about doing the actual work of programming.

I said it multiple times, and i say it again -> HELIX !!

The editor of your wet dreams, awesome keybindings, easy to use and configure and as sugar on top, cool syntax themes

he the kind of devs that force everyone to switch to rust, then your projects takes 50 minutes to compile when you change a letter, then he leaves the company to infest yet another team with rust

rust people ruin programming in general

I really want to like zed and I will be able to completely switch if they can get auto close and rename tags to work. Its suuuch a basic thing that absolutely wrecked me when I tried ~working~ with zed.

I also really don't like the AI integration, they are trying to shove down my throat.

PSA: Zed seems to be libre software now, and compiles for GNU/Linux. Now I'm interested.

I miss him (too?), and you should be able to finish that joke without any repercussion whatsoever.

Zed don't even work on arch yet zawg

I guess he said no

I get that js devs aren’t switching to Zed yet. But as a Rust dev I’ve been using it since the closed beta and I’m never going back. VSC is slow as hell.

real pros use zmacs

I tried Zed today on linux. I think it will be better than vs code one day, but it is still slower than my beloved neovim.

This is the reason why I wrote own editor.

people please, stop using x11, its over, just let it go

The thwarted Vi prepper actually used Colemak DH and didn't have their USB stick, so everyone died.