IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH NATIONALITY! Opinions on the Recent Super License Rule Changes

A system even a flawed one is better than no system where everyone is depending on likebility.

Everyone who has ambitions towards F1 knows what to do. Just go racing in F2 and prove yourself. This was in '22 a big topic and back then Herta had 32 points, stil 8 shy. That is one fifth or 20% of the required amount.

What is a super license?
A license with Superman's picture.

I believe at the time of asking, Herta's Indycar finishes were actually 3rd-5th-7th (2019-2022), which would have had him on 32 points. This is due to the COVID-19 stipulation where it was top 3 of the previous 4 seasons if 2021 was involved. He could've gotten a few extra bonus points from doing FP runs for McLaren in 2022 as well. This still would have had him short on points, but it would have had him MUCH closer.

This can all be summed up as "F1 is the soccer of motorsport". There's no reason for F1 to be afraid of American drivers because the best American drivers are already racing in other series and have no interest in relocating to Europe.

The way F1 treats anything connected to Americans, they just prove they want our money, and that's it. I have stopped watching F1 because of the Andretti saga. Herta is better off not going over to the dark side. They won't give him the machinery to be competitive anyhow.

Slightly off topic to focus on the point about how we just have one type of drivers license for most road vehicles.

Personally I think we should have different licenses for different vehicles aswell as different tests for vehicles such as 4x4s as alot of people who have them don't know how to drive them properly.

When you pass your test you should be restricted to the type of vehicle you learned to drive in and need further training to handle a different type say one with a more powerful engine and better/more responsive handling.

Same with training on driving a van since you don't always have the luxury of rear view mirror.

If you need to train and pass a test for a LGV/HGV license.

I don't see why needing one for different vehicles would be a issue.

It would certainly cut down on accidents from newly passed drivers in vehicles they can't control such as a 17 year old getting a 4x4 or fast car bought by their parents.

Why does herta get talked about when he can't win IndyCar

You sir are wearing a McLaren top!

Im gna say it: the average indy car driver is better than the average F2 driver and the fact the FIA skews the points that way is a joke. Id say bolth indy car and japans super formula are bolth a higher driving standard than F2

So bizarre that drivers need a regular driving licence. Not exactly doing three point turns are they?

Herta is nowhere near good enough in Indycar to merit the attention he gets let alone an F1 seat

Herta has loads of talent, what he DOESN'T have is loads of patience. I think he would compare well in a test, once he's got warmed up. BUT, I don't think he will do well in a race, too impatient, would rack up quite a damage bill.
Same with Ferucci. Only US driver who is young enough and has the right skill/patience mix, I think, for F1 is Kirkwood.

shrug Herta is talented but hasn't won all that much and hasn't been a title contender. I don't know how he'd fair in F1

Come to think of it, Formula Offroad is technically an open-wheeler, there should be no reason FIA not considering their driver, Icelandic Super license holder is not that weird after all

Do you feel that the sprint races should be competed by each team submitting 1 car with a member of their driver academy? This could then be a separate "championship" for the drivers but the points also count for the constructors title across the whole season?

Herta isn't good enough on race day but this is all politics. F2 is a much lower standard than IndyCar and the SL points don't reflect it, because the FIA want kids' dads spending buckets of cash in their junior series instead of taking the cheaper, sometimes well paid, jobs in other series as a pathway to F1 that hedges your bets.

Newgarden is the best US born open wheel driver on the planet. Herta isn't in that conversation despite being incredibly talented across one lap.

Van Gisbergan does , Supercars is affiliated ,, Indy is the old enemy,,

Everyone in F1 management, whether it be the FIA or Liberty or the teams, have proven they are a corrupt elitists who do what they want. Did you really think this wasn't going to happen...

the thing is back!

Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

Thank you for the clarity on this issue.

Ah the old politics

I agree that Herta is a bad example, however the request was made by Helmut Marko. The FIA should accept his judgment, he isn't some privateer from the 70s trying to race his brother in law. Also the Indycar points should equal F2 points. F2 is designed to train for F1 however it is kids racing kids. You don't see some angry old man that won't let you pass. Think of racing Will Power as training for racing Estabon Ocon.

Why is it? You’re always a clown when you’re British? It’s so so weird. You’re all clowns. The fact of the matter is INDYCAR didn’t say one thing some fans did, but because of your guilty conscience and your fear of the yanks are bigger and better than everything. You just can’t stop talking about it. Nobody’s talking about it in America.

Why is it? You’re always a clown when you’re British? It’s so so weird. You’re all clowns. The fact of the matter is INDYCAR didn’t say one thing some fans did, but because of your guilty conscience and your fear of the yanks are bigger and better than everything. You just can’t stop talking about it. Nobody’s talking about it in America.

I don’t even think Colton wants one
It’s just the Point IndyCar drivers overall better than F1 drivers talk to the bottom without a doubt so where do you get the nerve?

European sports they need to control and basically know the outcome before the game. Let’s just say they have a hierarchy and it’s a forced hierarchy. That’s why there’s only six teams that ever win anything in your in football F1 same thing they don’t know what it’s like to actually earn anything it’s not part of their culture. Culture is elite and everybody else under their foot and kiss my ass, I know I’m there elite

European sports they need to control and basically know the outcome before the game. Let’s just say they have a hierarchy and it’s a forced hierarchy. That’s why there’s only six teams that ever win anything in your in football F1 same thing they don’t know what it’s like to actually earn anything it’s not part of their culture. Culture is elite and everybody else under their foot and kiss my ass, I know I’m there elite

This clown just compared formula 2 to INDYCAR he did

I wonder why F1 drivers suck. Look how easy it is to get into F1.
Just be a loser in F2 and F3 and you’re in F1. This is why F1 drivers are the worst and laughable and the series is a joke.

I wonder why F1 drivers suck. Look how easy it is to get into F1.
Just be a loser in F2 and F3 and you’re in F1. This is why F1 drivers are the worst and laughable and the series is a joke.

Its amazing how clueless European mind is
They are blind to being abused and kept down
They allow dingbats in f1
Because how useless they are in f2 f3 and th ey qualified 😂😂
F2 winner was in Indy and fired already cmon guy everything you said has been wrong

The point system just needs reworked. Ideally any series past the jnr ladder should be awardingbthe same as F2. So like Indycar, WEC, FE, SF etc. Give these series the same as the highest level jnr category as these series have talent involved above that. SL should just say your good enough to adapt to an F1 car and most drivers in these series can.

it's like in australia most states you can get Ps at 17 (so you can drive alone), but I think victoria is 18, so like what would the rules be? there is a different & it's one country. also you technically don't have a "full licence" until you're 20, but does it only mean when you can drive a car alone. (obviously it's drive alone because of when piastri started & the 18+ rule means that the difference between states doesn't matter anyway)

I believe part of the problem is that many of those involved in Formula 1 also have financial interests in a lot of the F2 and F3 teams. This means that when the wealthy parents want to spend a couple of million so that Little Johnny can make it into Formula 1, those involved in the lesser formulas do very well out of it. Hence making it harder to get in without going through the "correct' feeder series.
As for the point system itself, I reckon its all bullshit. If you can prove you're fast enough, and have evidence that you can handle yourself safely on a race track, then why not. And for all those who say that the jump to F1 would be too great, Ayrton Senna and Martin Brundle both went from 200hp British Formula 3 cars and jumped straight into 1000+hp turbo-charged monsters and they went ok. Obviously some way of giving drivers more opportunity to test in F1 cars would be needed but saying only those going through F3 and F2 are up to it is rubbish.
And as for the road licence, I don't know what it's like in your countries but in Australia obtaining a drivers licence just proves that you can pass a test, not that you can actually drive.

He did the thing 😊

I don't see why the top drivers should have to pay more for their renewal. If you had an excelklent season why would they want to try and potentially push you out of the sport? If anything it sounds like it gives a weird incentive for smaller teams to try and game the system and not earn as many points as they actually deserve.

The issue is the Indy field has reverted back to being stronger than F2 overall but the points don’t reflect it Jenson Button recently said almost exactly that.

The Antonelli hype is already suffocating

I'd think that these kids need a better F1 testing option... F2 isn't quite it. not a full season, but like before the season starts, the FIA provides a mule car testing in Jerez for the rookies?

The fact that IndyCar gives out less points then F2 despite the longer season, in faster cars, against a field that has more experience then F1's, shows it's meant for nothing more then to make F2 a requirement into getting into F1 despite it producing no champions, in fact half the drivers in F1 who've entered since it started never went to it.

"Also the first driver born in the 90s to compete in F1"

Me, born in the late 80s, disintegrating into dust: "I don't feel so good.."

Its getting harder to say it's not about nationality with the recent fiasco regarding Andretti. Yes I know that wasn't the FIA. But it was the F1 piggy bank.

The Stroll situation was over alcohol sponsorship

In the majority of the European Union countries the minimum age for a road car driving licence is 18 in the UK and Kosovo who are not Members of the European Union it's 17 but if Kosovo were to join the European Union and the UK were to rejoin both the UK and Kosovo would have to raise the age to 18 and the only current European Union country where the minimum age is 17 is Ireland but Ireland as a European Union country could be ordered to raise the age to 18 to bring it into line with the rest of Europe

Nice video

given Nascar... setting the wall on fire???

do not like the thing there is so much informality in this system...
I mean, there is no real explanation why it is FIA is doing what its doing except that that is it's will... and that does not cut it for me...
there should be a list of series and a graph showing their hierarchy with a score value given to each level... an alternative, or maybe as a system parallel with that, is that there should be a driving test for an F1 superlicense where the driver can use a routine to prove his capability (in a real car & possibly in a simulator for emergency situations like they do in Aviation)... speaking of Aviation... isn't the head of the FAA from Indiana... maybe they should get involved in this.....