THE Desktop Tier List: KDE Plasma vs GNOME vs ...

KDE is a mess. They should just give up. Most Linux desktop environments are stuck in the 90s.

Gnome, g is silent , kde is the best on desktop , gnome is better on laptops

He just completely missed our favourite Unity..😂

The funny thing is that the latest version of Windows 11 brings as a novelty the preview of all kinds of files and new sound controls just like KDE

Ok, clearly you have never heard Spanish, mate is pronounced like 'master' but without the 's' and 'r'.

Kde is my Number 1 ✌️

I personaaly prefer Gnome on a Laptop (the Gesture Controls are great) and Xfce on the Desktop. One thing i really need is a good Startmenu and LXqt and many of the little Des dont have that. I tried KDE but i experienced a nuber of bugs and the ui of some oft the apps (like dolphin with its menu) was nothing for me. I never tried Mate.

good vid

What the fuck is that gay/trans shit behind you? Take that shit down boy, don't embarrass yourself anymore....

The one DE that I don't get is Gnome 3. Every one of its apps are little more than MVPs.

To configure Gnome, you have to navigate the Settings app, Tweak Tool app, and countless extension windows.

I like to have the top panel hidden, but when I minimize any app, the DE visibly hangs, glitches out, then finally minimizes. This happened with several tools that allow you to autohide the top panel.

I don't know why all development in Gnome hasn't halted to fix their settings app and api. It's comical at this point.

I wish kde, xcfe and gnome developers unite and create something unique and stable.

So here's a comment about MATE: I am a huge Gnome 3+ fan so I am definitely not in the "hurr durr traditional desktop or die" camp, but MATE is the best "old-school" desktop on Linux/Unix imo. It still got the Gnome magic, its application set is made of forks of old Gnome apps, and they are a lot more powerful than equivalent Xfce apps, MATE is much easier to customize than Xfce both graphically (hi keyboard shortcuts) and under-the-hood (dconf vs. whatever that abomination database xfce uses), and for some reason feels nicer. Also the Applications/Places/System menu is an instant rush of nostalgia. It used to be much more actively developed than Xfce but it seems its development has died down and I am worried about the project being dead or mostly dead.

I'm not a desktop environment guy, but I was trying them out again this week to see what's up and KDE still feels the best to me. However there are still really annoying things about it, for example I can't disable the resizing by dragging with mouse on window corners (especially top). I want to quickly move a window by snapping my mouse to the top edge of the screen where windows often spawn, but I end up resizing instead. That can happen even if a window is not at top, because the resize handle is so close to the titlebar. Most of the times I use Meta + mouse, but I want only one hand usage too.
The Alt+Tab is also bad, despite all the options. Why can't I just cycle focus without windows hiding or something?
The panel is ugly, if I switch to latte dock... that's too laggy for me. I end up going with Plank, but that's what I use on openbox and that wm doesn't have the issues I talked about above...

TLDR: Desktop environments are heavier despite lesser functionality...

All desktops miss the most important idea, IMHO. I need a dashboard that allows me to monitor the speed of transfers through the system. Mint's file manager tells me the transfer speed. From my NAS to my local SSD, it's 34.4 MB/sec. KDE Neon doesn't provide the transfer speed. Windows discloses the transfer speed. I wish all Linux DEs would develop a useful, informative dashboard.

What country flag is that? Never seen it before.

Pantheon and Unity 😢

MATE is named after the South American tea-like herbal drink and is pronounced 'Maa-tay'. The majority of people get it wrong.

kde is the best

great link in the description

I would like to know how you got the floating round panel. I can get the floating but no round corners :(

Great video Nicco, as always

I have used KDE, Gnome, Mate, Cinnamon, XFCE, LXqt, AwesomeWM and Hyprland. I personally use Hyprland, currntly on my desktop, and KDE would be my choice for a full DE. My laptop uses AwesomeWM, but XFCE was my previous pick, mostly cuz my laptop sucks, and I like configurability, so chose XFCE over LXQt. My expeiriance with touch on Gnome and KDE is the oposite lol, the On screen keyboard was unusable, as well as file manager. On KDE once I got the keyboard working it's WAY better then Gnome. And Dolphin is almost a thing that works on touch. As for Gnome's workflow, I hate it. My Hyprland workflow is so much faster for me. It'a a personal thing. What's better for someone may not be better for someone else.

I've used a number of the window managers mentioned, including Window Maker, FVWM, Afterstep, Icewm, and a few others a little after Redhat released version 5. I still use Icewm on my old computer at work due to low memory. At home it's mostly KDE, but I occasionally run Icewm or Enlightenment. Once you become used to some of these older WMs, they still feel like home.

And, yes, most, if not all of those mentioned are real. I recognized a fair number of them.

1)Plasma.
2)Mate.
3)Budgie.
4)Cinnamon.
5)Unity
6)Gnome.

last time i tried plasma on 2060super which was around a month ago blur on wayland was rather cursed. other than that i didn't notice significant issues. on gnome night light famously doesn't work because small moms and pops company nvidia can't implement gamma_lut in their wayland driver

You can use italian folkloric music as background. I like Malanova from your country

Where link to the spreadsheet tho ?

Maybe I'm blind but I scrolled all the way down the description and the comments and couldn't find a link to a google doc or anything 🤔

I'm shocked DDE and Unity didn't make it

I do think you might find Sugar/sugar on a stick desktop environment worth exploring for a short video. It was a desktop system designed for the one laptop per child initiative.

01. KDE Plasma
02. Cinnamon
03. Gnome
04. Xfce
05. Mate
06. Deepin

The most accurate tier list I've seen.

I love using Xfce, I often miss many things Xfce does when using Gnome or Plasma. I found it to be the most intuitive and I love its simplicity and look, customizing it is quite easy. It has such a Unix DE aura. If its able to go full Wayland soon I dont think there is a chance I will use something else.

Wait. What's xwayland? I thought there was x11 and Wayland. Is this a child

Didn't it stand for Feeble Virtual Window Manager?

A minor gripe: Qt is not pronounced as Q-T it's pronounced as cute.

Was that the Elder Scrolls soundtrack at the start?

I like KDE as much as gnome, but it feels like almost apps run much more smoothly in gnome over in KDE.

T'assures, Nicco !!!

Kudos for your background flag!

It is going to p*ss some people off, but haters gonna be haters anyhow. 😂

No CDE on the tier list, respect not earned and not granted

Based flag 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

You should make a video about Maui project, it looks kind of promising

Nicco. "Tier" rhymes with German "hier" and French "lire". It is not pronounced to rhyme with "buyer", "liar", "tyre".

I must admit, I don't see the link between a big highly politicized flag and a nonetheless great video on Desktop environment !

I would really want to see that random video with all the KDE Plasma Mobile+ stuff as an April Fools-type joke

I‘ve been using afterstep at lot, but that was like 20 years ago ☺Not to forget icewm with the OS/2 Warp 3 theme 😊. Anyone knows that one?

Obviously love KDE the best. The only other DE I'd use is Cinnamon (LMDE version).

So when are you gonna delve down the rabbit hole of window managers?

Every workflow is the fastest workflow if you practiced it to the point of no longer being used to any other workflow... See MS-Windows