Great Minds - Part 1 - Plato's Republic II-V: Soul and City

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Michael Sugrue’s lectures on Plato’s “Republic” are one of the greatest achievements of western historical and philosophical thought.

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The good man reputed to be unjust is Job in the Bible.

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Neitzsche was right

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Thank God for this professor, all the video parts and breakdowns for the Republic. I love it

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The problem with his interpretation, IMHO, is that Socrates debunks Thrasymchus' view that 'Justice' is defined as: "treating my friends good and my enemies bad." This, and the fact that Socrates forbids the style of literature that Plato is using in the dialogues, leads me to believe that the project is a satire - a feverish dystopia growing from the economic expansionism from base desires and egoism. The censorship maps onto personal psychology as an individual who won't listen to anyone (or won't dialogue). This refusal to dialogues is foreshadowed in the opening scene with Polemarchus and Socrates. The old-man, Cephalus (meaning "head") is concerned about his afterlife because he was preoccupied with moneymaking and comparing himself to previous and subsequent generations. Incidentally, the festival of Bendis was a mystery involving a relay race with torches passed from rider to rider. Intergenerational inheritance in all forms is a major theme.

I’d like to ask a question here because I was confused on my first reading of The Republic (I only got 1/3 in and I’m going to finish the rest later this year), I know he mentioned the pig society as being the society which doesn’t have luxury but my assumption when I was reading that part of the text was that Plato’s defense of luxury in rebuttal to Glaucons comments on it being the city of pigs was that to placate peoples complaints about the way they’re living providing them with luxury and the desire to obtain or increase luxury which plays into the nature of desire was necessary for a perfect city because it makes people invested in the preservation of the city and that the city of pigs was one governed by pigs (people who don’t produce anything outside of themselves and their minds, I was under the assumption the philosopher was the pigs because they create something non-physical which is philosophy whereas a cow makes milk and a shoemaker makes shoes.) Also did the meaning of “luxury” change between time, because I thought that the use of the word luxury was deliberate in saying that some only people can have the luxuries of this city? The expansion of territory was something I thought was set up as necessary for the preservation of this type of city because it needs to continually expand economically in order to preserve itself, and I thought that the physical guards as opposed to the philosophical guards of the city were supposed to be induced to some level or propaganda which reinforced the morality of the city. I disagreed with a lot of it as I was reading it, but I didn’t understand it as it was written clearly but I want to know what way it was written that made it clear Plato/Socrates felt the city of pigs was a transitionary stage or something else entirely which wasn’t meant to be replicated? Also if the nature of the city/society is expansion then isn’t the city itself inherently unstable? You would need a city which isn’t predisposed to physical growth so much as the development of defense against external pressure and the development of internal systems which allow for stability in regards to larger structures like economy, health, housing, etc. with some growth. This world has a finite amount of space and eventually there won’t be any more space left to expand to.

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Bless your soul doctor, thank you for keeping me company once more and far from it being the first time.

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I am Kenyan,a philosophy and psychology student,,,this here is gold.

Unbelievable. He said "um" or "uh" MAYBE twice. Such an impressive teacher

his death I'm not even kidding has left a hole in my heart, the fact we will never see or hear anyone like him again really makes me sad, there was only one professor Michael sugrue now he is no more

"city of pigs!". 😂😂😂😂

"city of pigs!" Beautiful... Oh that's 🤣😂🤣.... Love it!!

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RIP Mr Sugrue your passion and intellect will live through those you have touched ❤

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Where is pt II and III

'wo(k)eness'

35 minute mark: 'the reason we lost the Peloponnesian war is because the Spartans are more virtuous than we are, their institutions are better conceived'

this is fascinating: the values that make a culture supreme influence the quality of the institutions and thereby contribute the the rise and fall of empires, and virtue lays the foundation for all of this.

Does Sugrue do Nietzsche? Anyone?

I don’t know. Surely everyone should read Plato, but don’t believe it all. Perception can be controlled, lies become ignoble, and power corrupts. No easy way to be free.

Dr. Sugrue--Thank You for clarifying and integrating ideas that enrich our lives! Without you and your brilliant efforts the world would have remained a complete mystery but you have provided a path to understanding!!!

Do we realize he’s talking about a 19 year-old know-it-all?

Thanks Plato for the perfect totalitarianism ideology 🙈🙉🙊