The Suffering 1 and 2: Starting Right and Ending Wrong

Midway didn't go out of businesses. They were purchased by WB and renamed to NetherRealm Studios

You failed to mentioned that the creatures were designed by Stan Winston.

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As much as I'll always love a dozen classic slasher movies.....The films that truly frightened me ended up being those that did so much more by showing me less - films that show you the scene, leaving you to decide whether or not one of the shadows just moved.

How are they all ports, the PS2 and Xbox versions are native and lead versions

I feel like maybe the writer for the game had a great idea and a lot of potential, but didn't have the experience to make it work for the second game (The ending options for the first game didn't leave a huge amount of options for continuing the story that took both endings into account), and would have benefitted hugely from a more seasoned writer helping to co-write. It could have easily flowed into bad-ending Torque forgetting a lot of his actions on Carnate island. The majority of the negative choices could have been blackouts for him, and would have given an option for a Bad-ending first game leading to a Good(ish)-Ending sequel where he has to confront who he is and what he has done in the past. He could even have ended up a conduit for anthropomorphising the things that caused the Suffering to leave Carnate and manifest itself wherever he goes, leading to a search for some way to stop that from continuing (Whether by sacrificing himself, finding a way to seal whatever Carnate Island is, or choosing to ignore it, and to just keep moving on from place to place, leaving once the Suffering catches up and tears his new home apart).


Honestly, I think the first game deserves a remaster so more people can enjoy it on PC/modern consoles without having to jump through hoops. The sequel, though looking to be an improvement in regards to the use of the engine, definitely has more of a sour taste when it comes to gameplay changes and writing ("Blood makes the best lube" is such an bad, edge-lord line I wish I could unhear it).

I wish I was talented enough to be a modder so I could try and fix some of the glaring issues with gameplay design too. Some sort of health replenishment when in that berserk mode that was so popular at the time. Perhaps even a way to build that berserk meter back up while in that mode to give more incentive to use it. And being able to have a supply of health again.


I guess what this game could really benefit from would maybe be a series reboot, like Resident Evil 2 got. Goodness knows we're not exactly inundated with horror shooters that have black protagonists and don't shy away from the darker parts of America's past. Though if this game came out now I imagine the Steam forums would be complaining about how "woke" it is. Maybe that British guy who looks like a thumb will have a meltdown over it...

I remember playing this, and kinda not remember lol. Couldn't really remember the story but I just remember loving the monster design. God I'm old.😂❤

This game needs a remake

Greet video bro 😎 , I’d love a third game in series if they would ever make one , I’ve always felt like if they made a third game , it would evolve around torgue making peace with his past and finally overcoming that demon that’s inside of him . I’d wish they put these two games back on the Xbox store though .

Im waiting for the evil within franchise

Dude, 2 great games

That Chris Benoit joke was great lmao

This game needs a remake.....a good remake. A remake that can take advantage of the graphics. A sequel wouldn't work well I feel, since they mutilated Torque in TTB, unless they explored the past on carnate with maybe a new lead....or just do a complete new game....clean slate. I really love the first game. Imagine what they could do today! I think a TV show would be awesome too if done right.

I'll head over now and give hom a shot

Just finished the PS2 version of 1 today. It was O.K. cheesy but fun. It's not all that horror though, not scary. It's like Halloween, spooky themes but not actually scary. Of course in real life my opinion on these events would change, but in a video game, meh. It's cool.

At first i was like "2 hours! How? It's a short game"
Forgot about how much history telling there is about the location in the first game. I also realized we are a guest and the location and it's history are the main character.
Played through it multiple times to get the different endings.

I loved the idea of changing monsters in the TTB, but also didn't like the change in health and ammo use.
Didn't like that game so much, only playing it once. And started the bad run, but Quake4 and Most Wanted got priority.

Seeing this vid, kames me want to play the original again - thanks

Suffering 3: "Torque! You have a third extra personality, and it's the President! "

I never found non-video game horror particularly scary. Especially not in comparison to video game horror. Even in third person view, you're far more immersed into the setting.

The Suffering on PC is finicky as hell to get started. I feel like the game chooses when it’s time to play it.

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I have a strong suspicion over the fact that the story of the second game was waiting for a resolution in a third game, but given Midway had their own financial issues, that didn't really allow for that even though, the devs more than likely had stuff on the table just ready to brainstorm for a third game and start rolling it off. Who knows, maybe the modern day Netherrealm, which is basically Midway reborn, might somehow, through the absurd, bring the franchise back like they did with Mortal Kombat 9 ( 2011 ).

I love this game but I'm not the type of person who plays games for a quality story. I've never played a game for the story. I skip right through everything to the gameplay. I play a game more for gameplay. The only story driven games I do like are MGS1, anything SCP related, and STALKER. Outside of that I never play a game for a story. I just look for the ability to skip cut scenes and get back to playing. I'm the same way with shows and movies.

I think he literally chances to look like blackmoore when hes psyche changes.

I think what The suffering did well was sparking interest with the city i grew up in and it's less than peaceful past. I learnt a lot about the atrocities and it's perpetrators, yes it's somewhat romanticized, but very faithful to actual happenings. Most if not all of the games antagonists were actual depraved humans.

Silent Hill 5 may have ribbed some stuff from the setting

How are all three versions ports? Isn't the PS2 version native?

What’s the difference between 480i and 480p

Sucks that you can’t bring anyone you save all the way to the end

Finally finished roadside picnic pretty good read

I played these games years ago and it took me till just now to realize there's Evil in Carnate. Get it? As in Evil incarnate? I'll see myself out now.

Are ps3 and 360 not retro now?

So I forget the exact details, but for a while the first suffering was free through the US Airforce. I don't know when that stopped but it was pretty neat nonetheless!

Had I written the Suffering 2, I would've made it clear near the end that Blackmoore and Torque were NOT the same person, but teased the idea. In fact, I would've had Blackmoore using a prototype device that let him mind control others using experimental technology that's ultimately at fault for what's happening. Cliche, yes, but certainly better than the mess of a story we ended up with. In my version, Blackmoore can only control rare individuals or the creatures altered by the Agency. Considering Torque can steamroll through many of the creatures the Agency makes, he's a person of interest to Blackmoore. Blackmoore's screwing with Torque would ultimately be his attempt to chiselling away at Torque's humanity until he's the perfect (metaphorical) dragon for Blackmoore's Agency. Good Torque would want him dead for killing his family and messing with his head; Evil Torque would simply want him dead because he hates being manipulated.

I had this game on PS2 and I absolutely enjoyed it. In retrospect to me it was like you have Resident evil and Silent Hill then you have this, to me this was like the Arkham Asylum of the survival type games. The prison aesthetic was really unique to me. I liked how all the monsters were themed after execution methods. Something to note as well was that in the PS2 version there is a behind the scenes Documentary about Eastern State Penitentiary. The Prison was where the production team got its influence,ideas and inspiration for the game

I wish a company like Night Dive Studios would remaster this game and bring it to modern consoles.

I just got my Xbox copy yesterday and 2 today

Merciful fuck, you have taken the edge of two hours of making a special pasta sauce. Thank you for that.

You going to tackle another grungy style game series that came out around the same time and had a surprisingly similar pattern of good first game followed by bad second game (Heck, they both even have the Fight Club plot twist in it), Manhunt?

Man the first Manhunt is good at setting an atmosphere, a criminally forgotten horror classic.

It is a shorter video than usual, but I toss a few extra points for the cat :)

Dude is Evil in Carnate

i bought it on sale :D

I’m pretty sure I only have the sequel so that’s the one I’ve played the most

Two whole big videos on the suffering damn