Intel - From Inventors of the CPU to Laughing Stock [Part 2]

"Will they return to dominance or will they be the next IBM". For a pioneer in tech it is hard to imagine how far IBM has fallen only to be followed by Intel.

One of Intels newest ventures, AVX512 is absolute crap. It's only available on select few CPUs, where as the previous version (AVX2) is available on most modern CPUs.

The difference between the two versions is vector size. AVX2 can operate on 256 bit vector in a single instruction, where AVX512 can do 512.

The problem is, that AVX512 doesn't really provide much real world benefit, and just serves to increase their CPUs floating point operation benchmarks, to give the illusion that they perform better than they actually do.

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Very interesting video, thanks. Back in the day when you could buy good motherboards, I used to make custom gaming machines and just hated Intel on principle. The Pentium 4's had skinny pipe lines and were overclocked internally to get any performance out of them. They were a joke and you couldn't cool them even without overclocking them. I knew a guy who overclocked his and put it out on the deck in snow and it still melted down. I mean they were really bad. I called them Pentium smoke stacks. I was one of the first people to use Athlon processors in gaming machines. Making boutique gaming machines was a hobby of mine when I was younger. With their very wide pipe lines, even at a lower clock speed, they just blew the Pentium 3's and 4's out of the water and I knew the tide was going to turn. And the harassment over it I endured was unbelievable except from the buyers of my machines. They just loved them. I was also one of the first to use RAID arrays to speed up hard drive performance. Since I've already dated myself, today, retired; I use Acer 17 inch Nitro and Predator lap tops with all solid state drives, even the 2 terabyte storage drive. No need for RAID arrays anymore. And the Intel chips in them do a very good job. They use 8 core processors with doubling to 16. And they use GE force video, which has and stores game profiles for individual games. I figured if Acer wants to use them, good enough for me. I believe Acer to be the number one lap top to own, and it's been that way for many years. Stopping making white boxes and switching to their own name was the best move they ever made.I don't believe you're going to go over 3,200 ghz with anything in a Lap top anyway and that's what mine runs at with very clever cooling from Acer.

Amd chips break when you install them lets be honest.

I wasn't aware of all the benchmark manipulation from Intel....

That said, Pat has Intel on the comeback!!

Great job

Amazingly ... this timeline of Intel's development fits perfectly into Geoffrey A. Moore's technology adoption life cycle ... ! ...

Intel is the perfect example of what happens when business majors call the shots rather than the engineers in a technical field. Sleezy af.

At this moment (2023) it can go both ways, if they have the culture of nVidea, it will go down, if they have the culture of new innovations, I see them come back, but with ups and downs. Lately competing and bringing CPUs too fast on the market, you get flaws and setbacks, both Intel and AMD. Now, consumers are used to "beta" test their products, and RMA's are huge. Same with nVidea who are too greedy IMO. Of course, AMD is competition in the GPU market as well. About CPUs, there are way too many on the market now, it's not easy to buy a CPU for a n00b DIY builder.

while intel continue to support their drivers at a higher level than rivals, it is okay to be able to buy their stocks cheap

calling A-R-M chips, ARM chips, is a sin.

Lover of AMB since 2003 yeww

10gen Intel vs 5000 series ryzen was an embrassment for Intel. The ryxen 5 5600x was way better for gaming while only at 4.6ghz with 6 cores, while i9 10900k has 10 cores at 5.3 ghz. It would go around 200watts and lost to a cpu at 65 Watts.

BAH! Don't use Linus from LTT, he sucks!

When Apple M1 came out in 2020, I thought this could really be the start of Intel’s death. Who knew the rot was just being hidden away all this time.

Apple на платформе arm обгонит всех...

Theres a little fine detail in explaining how smaller process nodes increases performances.
In a way this looks like it but its mostly because it becomes more power efficient thus allowing more power to be used. So in the end it will have a performance uplift with the same amount of power consumed due to better efficiency.

Damn, didn't even know that they faked benchmark that desperately.

I remember growing up Intel was in all of the computers and now its hardly in anything, AMD has taken over. I hope Intel gets back to where it has a good market share. I have a late 2011 MacBook Pro with a 2nd gen i7 which is the Sandy bridge chipset and its still going strong.

I think they will bounce back ... their pockets are deep enough to move

They still have the desktop market which is enough for any company to survive get fresh cap and start over

As if Intel were the only ones making CPU chips at the time?
Do some research !

You are referring to microprocessors,
And even there Intel was not the “inventor”

I think Intel's own manufacturing capability will prove vital in the future if you look into the geopolitics in south east Asia

Boeing needs to so the same thing!!!

The 8008/8080 architecture that is the core of Intel? Designed by CTC. The personal computer revolution started with the Altair 8800/IMSAI 8080? Intel was side-lined by the cheaper and superior Z80. IBM's decision to go with the 8088? They came in cheaper than Motorola with MOS and Zilog completely blowing their lead with lousy 16 bit upgrades. The super-scalar Pentium that would prove CISC was still a contender? Took years of handwaving until they overcame their deep pipeline issues. The Itanium that was supposed to be the next stage? A complete disaster than everybody saw coming and AMD created the x64 extensions that Intel had to follow when the Itanium failed.

Intel has always succeeded in spite of themselves.

In 30 years in tech - I was never impressed by any of intel’s chips. AMD has always been move innovative unfortunately even for AMD it maybe to late especially when Apple has entered the market with its crazy M1 chips.

Starting with the first PC I built from parts (1998), I have only chosen AMD CPUs for my desktops, because of the danger that Intel would fail to innovate if it had no challengers.

Great stuff, amazing story!

Ayy a Linus Tech Tips appearance! Awesome

Something to add that he didn't mention. Don't use "UserBenchmark" to compare AMD and Intel CPUs. They dick ride Intel, and show favoritism toward Intel even when AMD has the better chips.

I think its insane that Intel spends ten times the amount on research compared to AMD, yet AMD wipes the floor with them...Corruption maybe? Or jst bureaucracy?
Its even worse when we keep in mind how AMD focuses on GPUs also...
Its 2024 and AMD is going from strength to strength while Intels 13th and 14th gen chips are randomly crashing, resulting in large returns and unhappy customers...
All I can say is, you had one job Intel...

Intel barely made it into the Top10 of the worlds largest chip-makers list, behind #1 nVidia, TSMC, Broadcom, Samsung, ASML, AMD, Qualcom, Applied Materials, & #9 Texas Instruments.
Just 5 years ago nVidia was worth half of Intel’s valuation and now its 17 times Intel’s.

Brother, your content is amazing, thank you for your research and thoughtfully delivered prose.

omg there' a part 2!?!?

Linus is a weasel! Intel's biggest problem was hiring the worst CEO possible. Diverted the majority of R&D funding for stock buy backs and other market cap improving schemes.

What do u mean “caught up”. AMD is CRUSHING Intel.

Intel stock price 3 years to this day has gone down 60% while AMD increased 20%.

Need part 3: From laughing stock to most hated

Can't wait for part 3 to happen.

Part 3: the Raptor (Lake) Apocalypse

It is interesting how companies seem to become bureaucracies that get rid of their original founders and visionaries. The same pattern has been seen in Dutch Philips and other technology companies. At some stage visionaries and engineers will leave the company and start a new company which will thrive for a while until they to become riddles with useless MBAs and accountants that can only see as far as their bottom line on a spreadsheet. You skipped over Zilog with their highly successful Z80 processor in the late 70s and 80s which was much better than the 8080 by Intel. If I remember Zilog was also founded by some ex-Intel employees. The Z80 was only discontinued very recently. Right now Intel has some failing products (via corrosion or something like that) so it remains to be seen what will happen to them in future.

As of today AMD is worth 255B, Intel 92B. More than 100% difference

Once accountants, middle managers and brain dead CEO's that know little about their products, the company dies!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is VERY COMMON in many corporations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have watched EVIL EVIL Intel for decades. That is what you get when your CEO is a tech MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is why SpaceX works and Blue Origin struggles. Also why Tesla works and GM FAILS!!!!!!!!!!!
Put CEO that know the product/service and you do well, accountant types are UTTER MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I told people 20 YEARS AGO AMD would kill off that corrupt lousy INTEL, HERE WE ARE

intel - an evil company which makes a fortune on the public`s ingnorance.

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