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I feel like the principles that kid follows is similar to was Ed Coan has shared with not pushing your body in training and saving the 1 rm for competition
ОтветитьStuff works. At age 44 I did double threshold sessions once a week usually 5x6:00am and either 8x1k or 25x400 at night. Those were over 20 mile days. Then I alternated between 20x200 hills one week and 10x300 at mile effort the next. Raced great until I slipped down some stairs and needed knee surgery. But I'm almost running enough again to start my ingebrigtsen regimen again
Ответитьthis guy clearly knows very little about actual distance running and training, so much of what he said is flat wrong. 1-Lots, actually most of world class milers train less than 100 miles per week, no question. 2-High level distance runners do not run hard workouts and then jog for three days. 3-Running at threshold does not mean running easy or that you don't experience muscle burn. 4-Jakob does not always run from the front, he runs tactically ALL the time. It would have very little effort to understand these things. Its clear his "research" was very surface level and he should not be treated as an expert.
ОтветитьThis individual was wrong on many accounts. He isn’t educated enough and is providing false information.
ОтветитьWait Kipchoge does most of his stuff at 80.%? … Wrong. Jakob doesn’t run more than an hour? It even says on the plan he runs 20km every Sunday 😂
ОтветитьI got my hands on a puma Norway speed suit. I’m gonna be jacob for Halloween.
ОтветитьTeam Ingebrigtsen reality show is great. My dream family. ;D
ОтветитьHe started training since He was 2-3 years old. So 10 years old is way to late....
ОтветитьI dont think this guy understands the nuance to the different types of training. Ingebrigsten still does 400 repeats, they just do it right before competitions. Before tokyo his father said he did quarters at 55s on average. This is a typical norwegian model, Kristian Blummenfelt, Iden, and many more norwegians follow a very similar training model.
ОтветитьKipchoge is doing hard track sessions every single week in his training at paces that are certainly not below 80% threshold. This guy doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about with either Jacob or Kipchoge’s training
ОтветитьKey moment in this clip was when they said you need to scale this to your ability level. The weekend warrior or high schooler would only need three of these threshold sessions in a week with lots of easy running between.
ОтветитьOne thing that was not mentioned is that Jakob makes sure his sessions between threshold workouts are extremely easy. Under 130 bpm for his easy runs and often times will walk up hills to avoid heart rate stress
ОтветитьBro this guy is an absolute fool, most milers do not run near 100 miles per week. Jakob is super unique in running over 100 miles per week.
ОтветитьThreshold training is all the rage now in distance running. How much is debatable. But the merits of doing threshold training isn’t debatable.
ОтветитьThis has got right information sprinkled in with completely wrong information.
Ответить"they've thrown out a lot of this easy stuff" lmao they're hitting 70-80% volume at easy pace
Ответить🤔 Upper body strength, to keep proper form, is still important! While I did alot of things wrong and "overtrained" (125+ miles per week), I was no "wimp" in upper body strength - I used to put 410 lbs on the bench press, even though that was not my main focus (goal)! 💪
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ОтветитьThe two Swedes Almgren and van der Poel has gone the opposite way and trained with higher volume with great success (lots of biking to spare the body).
ОтветитьIngebrigtsen method is a high volume treshold training model, with high focus on intensity control. It was used by among runner Marius Bakken before the Ingebrigtsen family. They do treshold sessions with easy days in between. So first fault in this description is he is saying they dont run easy. They have at least two or three days per week with 2x10 K easy, so thats 40-60 K easy there. They have a 20 K longrun. They probably run this quite easy. When they run treshold the bread and butter is workouts like 10x1 K or 6x6 min run, when they try not going over certain lactate treshold (control). They sprinkle this with harder sessions like 20x200 hill and 200 and 400 repeats. But main focus is high volume (180 K per week at least) consistency and control on harder workouts. This is also the reason Norwegian Triathletes are better than before. They also started training smarter, meaning more moderately, on their treshold sessions, on swimming, bike or running.This give more ability to recover for next workouts, not getting injured or burnout.
ОтветитьThe hosts did a good job for a podcast that is likely one that's focused on sports in general, not specifically running. I think the one major factor in Jakob's success that people discount is that he began training at 10 or 11 and was born into what was essentially a world-class track and field team of a family. He was able to have years of training with his very accomplished Olympian brothers before he ever stepped foot in high school. Most people begin track and field/cross country at around 15 or 16. Just like in chess, football, and any other endeavor, the kids whose parents actively planned out their lives around their eventual sport/skill tend to be the best. I think the training they do is gimmicky and has less to do with his success than his family background does. In other words, if most elite runners employed their training methods of rarely running over the threshold pace, they would likely regress.
ОтветитьThis is pretty misleading and a bad analysis honestly. Most elite runners follow a similar plan and are able to keep their training within themselves.
Marius Bakken (Gjert Ingberitsen's inspiration) developped the Norweigan threshold training model as a way to replicate the Kenyan base training that he observed. They still only do 3 hard days a week, and if you think the "threshold days" are easy/moderate you're kidding yourself ... It's up to 20km @ HM pace split into 2 sessions, which is not easy at all.
The main difference is that they do their threshold work in doubles (ie: AM : 6xMile repeats , PM 10x1km repeats twice a week + shorter interval session in the week) instead of single long tempo runs that are used in other programs (ie, 10 mile tempo + 20 mile progression LR + shorter interval session in a week) for a typical base phase. This adds up to a very similar amount of threshold in the week.
They still do traditional interval session in their competition period, ie 400s/1ks etc... Very hard anaerobic sessions.
Filip was also a bronze medallist at the world championship along with being European champion as well lol
ОтветитьJust broke it. Smashed it, really... 😅
ОтветитьYou’re not gasping for air… you’re gasping to exhale CO2. Please learn biology.
ОтветитьWhen you guys say 80% or 87% what exactly are you referring to? Can you use an example for like a six minute per mile 5K runner
Ответитьthey certainly do not do threshold workouts all the time. They do them twice a week, and the threshold running makes u about 10-20% of their total
ОтветитьYou do have to have talent as well to do these crazy workouts.
ОтветитьThis guy doesn’t know what threshold is, and that there are a couple of them.
ОтветитьReally cool this channel that seems to be more weight lifting focused is covering some distance running content!
ОтветитьWhen they show the 2 or 3 together running at that pace it is powerful and fast but not too fast.
Almost puts an image in my head of a small group of hunters chasing prey like deer from like a thousand years ago. Looks like a small wolf pack on a hunt pushing prey. That pace seriously puts that image in my head. Ha ha I know I’m weird. Liked the upload.
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ОтветитьThis guy actually thinks hes running threshold every single day like a dumbass
ОтветитьThere is a lot of partly false / misunderstood information in this video - which still is also interesting and coming along with true stuff.
E.g.: the majority of his runs is still at easy pace.
Aye I think rest is an important aspect they bring up. Have you ever seen videos of Kipchoge resting? That man knows how to chill in between workouts
ОтветитьI like to see a non-running channel engage but just to all the viewers who don't know much about track, what they're saying is totally wrong. No runner who knows anything about running will run a threshold run every day lol. Actually read about the Ingebrigtsen model from the original source and you will find it's similar to the Kenyan training model. Run easy and long distances for nearly every workout with only 1-2 threshold runs per week. Running close to your peak speed daily has been proven to not only increase the likelihood of injury but actually reduce your growth.
ОтветитьFirst thought. Why are they standing up
ОтветитьHaha man you have no clue about running 😅
ОтветитьJakob does run 100 mile weeks lol
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