Did Nvidia Lie? RTX 5090, 5080, 5070 Ti, 5070, DLSS4, Reflex 2, Price, Release Date, Performance

Other then a handful of Cards NVIDIA will sell directly to like 25 people your only going to be able to get one of the 3rd Party Vendor cards and those will be like $699 add the Scalpers extra $200 and we are looking at 800-900 for one of these cards for the first few months of the year. Same thing happened every To me they release a card or great CPU see the 5800X3D/9800X3D.

The 3x frame gane will look probably great but feel realy bad. Just imagine for rendering 200 frames per second it is 5 ms per frame with frame gen you have 57 ms per frame witch is 10x more than it should be. It will be even worse then single frame gen. It will be like playing under water or something. Because render time for 80 frames is 12.5 ms but with generated frames form 40 to 80 is 50 ms. witch means the difernce is "only 3x worse " then native 80 frames and you can already feel it. So imagine how bad it will be with 10x slower frame times then they should be.

Nvidia finally outdone themselves by providing the sales engine (reviewers, influencers etc.) with the right fuel. With the wide availability and prices anywhere near the announced msrp Nvidia and anyone praising RTX5000 series release will loose credibility. I mean how can you stand there and tell people who bought a RTX4080 super for Christmas that you are releasing a dual slot/fan card with up twice the performance at near or the same price the month after they bought their card?! Not to mention using game bundle offer by the sellers for the grounds on which return of such card can be refused should the customer change their mind or come across a freaking RTX5000 series! Word comes to mind: Theft!
Damage mitigation in form of rasterization performance comparison or a DLSS4 update release for RTX20.. and up cards which cannot take meaningful advantage of it is not going to cut it. At the end of the day it is the end user experience that matters and not product datasheet.
Disappointed owner of the RTX4080 Super.

I can buy the 5060 but ima save for the 5090

Ugh, sounds like we are going to be forced to install the stupid Nvidia app in order to access all the settings. That's bullshit. I don't want that piece of shit on my machine.

Well, here we go. Now game devs will aim for 30fps.... and expect users to use multi FG to get over 60fps...

"only cost $549" 💀

We use ai to add more frame😂😂 is that real frame nvidia😂😂

has their really been enough years to say "generation of tensors"
and intel feeds you a crap ton of tensor. nvidia sprinkles them on cheaply.

Generate one real frame and then generate multiple AI frames then throw out 1 of # frames at the cost of latency. What a waste imo.

MAKE REAL FRAMES GREAT AGAIN

I’m not an expert but why do people care if the frames are AI generated or not? I haven’t noticed any input delay worth noting with dlss + frame gen on my 4060 and have been able to play just about every game on ultra or high settings at 2560x1440 (no RT)

ya i'm just waiting for intel's B780, i am sure it will smash the 5070, like the a770's specs rivaled the 4070 super, the 4080 and the 4090 all at once.
faster video render/encode than 4090, more tensors than a 4080, and 4 ftlops faster than 4070 super at fp16.
you don't want NVIDIA SLOP you want INTEL GREATNESS.

so instead of just "crunch the actual bandwidth thrown up for render"
it's MORE EFFICIENT, to RUN THE RENDER, PLUUUUS have AI meddle with it?
do you not see the scam yet guys? LOL so f-ing gimmicky so glad i'm done with nvidia and amd.

787.90 i doubt it, their 4070 super cost 907 dollars.
so yeah bud, you're way off the mark, but a couple more dollars, wait and see. :D

Not under 2 grand bud wtf you talking about with tax much over the 2 grand mark

Idk if i should wait to buy RX50 series or go to 4070 super right now 🤯😵‍💫

All we need is Raw performance and native fps , we don't need fake frames and a game looking worse for a price of a kidney

Not even close. It'll be barely better than a 4070ti in raw power. DLSS and other AI tech making the next 3 predictive frames is where the "performance" comes from.

So...if you only game and don't mind DLSS...ok I guess. Should have 16GB of VRAM but ok.

Do you work with local AI? Still not an amazing deal. I'd like it to be $449 or at most $499 for it's ACTUAL raw power.

The did not lie. He stated multiple times this could not be possible without ai. Like idk how much more clear he can be lol. Would not be possible without ai! Lol

Tldr; they lied

5070 is just another mid size 192 bit 4nm 12GB GPU from NV. Act accordingly

Buy second hand guys, if you want reasonable prices again. Otherwise you guys deserve fake frames and a $5000 6090

If it uses frame gen so heavily, would the game feel more sluggish?

Question: Are you guys buying the 5090?

Did Nvidia lie?!

Does a bear shit in the woods?

I hate that they compare in specific circumstances to boost the numbers. I want a native comparison, but then as a bonus you get the boosted numbers. I like to play native, just upscaling bothers me. I can't imagine multiple AI frames between real rendered frames

this ai simulation or whatever scare me, is the graphic will not be as good quality ? i mean, if 50xx will only be performance card and not good quality card like it should be ?
what i mean, is actually in video game on pc, if i can turn off DLSS i do it, because the quality of the image stay the same 100% of the time, i dont care about being only in 60-80 fps and not 120-150 fps, i hate DLSS because on some game the image go from being super quality to blurry graphic to keep his high fps, ITS THE THING i hate about DLSS, so if the new card are really just performance card using DLSS or AI or whatever but make game less attractive, its a meh for me...

How those claims can even be legal? It's literally lying to customers. Generating fake frames is not equal to "more powerful". It's just a trick to increase a number. Anybody who played with frame gen knows it doesn't do much more than giving you a higher fps number in your favorite overlay. Looks like Nvidia engineers don't know how to improve performance so they have to fool us with this AI bulshit.

No way the average consumer will get these cards at the listed prices. Just like the previous 2 generations.

This video is by far the best recap of the NVIDIA CES key notes. The moment Jensen stated the 5070 having the same performance vs. the 4090, I could smell the BS immediately.

Better off waiting 365 more days and you will be hearing how this card i nothing compared to the next card

lot of hate comments on dlss and the new MFG without any knowledge. Give it a chance. Dig foundry just broke down quality. latency not bad, quality way up, frame time better, frame rates way way better.

I expect 30% or so better withoit input lag modes

Does the CEO really think we're just dumb? He should be sued for fraud and consciously mis advertising.

When comparing two GPU's, you HAVE TO DO IT AT NATIVE RASTERIZATION. Otherwise the comparison is null and void. The entire keynote was a lie

This is essentially asynchornous reprojection seen in VR games, otherwise known as asynchronous time warp, except done in 2D space and using AI to fill in the missing information, additionally games usually do render more than the window displays (as that's how temporal techniques are able to do jitter). So that image in the nvidia website is kinda incorrect, it's not that it doesn't know what's there at all, it's more that it knows what's there but it wasn't in the display area before. Basically we already know how this works really because we've seen this in VR games, except unlike those games we have AI to do the filling and framegen to minimise the geometry warping (as the higher the frames the less geometry warping is needed).

In practice your input will be equal to whatever framerate you are targeting since it'll be decoupled from the base framerate that is being rendered.

The performance is about what I expected. The pricing was a pleasant surprise. I expected the 5090 to be even more of a price increase than it was and even more unexpected was Nvidia either holding prices steady or even cutting prices slightly compared to the 40 series for the rest. I do think the VRAM is questionable on everything except the 5090 though.

Of course they lied. They always lie. AIBs are not going to charge those prices and one frame per four frames being is going to be laggy as fuck and look like absolute smeary ass unless the AI is specifically trained on that game for literal man-years.

Why do I feel like frame gen is just a scheme to oversell hardware in order to abuse profit margins.

I'd like to talk about Reflex Frame Warp, because it is VERY misleading and strange behavior from Nvidia. Reading their explanation, its identical to a technique called Asynchronus Reprojection, a technique we have been using in VR headsets for almost a decade now and that I am very familiar with as a VR gamer.

My problem here is it both does not do what they claim it does, and has drawbacks that they conveniently forget to mention

First of all, they're marketing it as decreasing latency by "giving you the most up to date frame". This is straight up a lie. What async reprojection does is warp a frame to create a new frame from a shifted camera perspective to increase smoothness of camera movement. No game logic has changed from between the original and reprojected frame, and if you can't see something in the original frame you can't see it in the reprojected frame either.

The issue with async reprojection is that it creates a jarring sensation because while your camera movement is smoother, any moving objects or input handling will be the same, because game logic doesn't change. In fact, in some responsiveness sensitive scenarios this feels worse to use than with it off. For example, try playing Beat Saber with Async Reprojection on and see what happens. It feels wrong and actually throws off your input and sense of responsiveness

Until they go into more detail about what exactly they've done here, please take this tech with a grain of salt because this is extremely suspicious behavior from Nvidia that sounds like they're trying to take advantage of the fact that the general public doesn't know this technology.

So instead of getting more actual performance, 50-series is getting more AI performance.

What he really means is without AI FakeFrames the 5070 cannot match the 4090, and actually only has around 1/4 the power

IF PEOPLE REALLY WANT FAKE FRAMES LIKE WHAT NIVIDIA IS SHOWING, WHY NOT JUST DOWNLOAD LOSSLESS SCALING ON STEAM AND THEREFORE YOU CAN RUN ALL YOUR GAMES WITH HIGHER FRAMES 😂 OH YEAH… JUST FOR $5 vs PAYING CLOSE TO $600 and UP!

The 5070ti will probably be closer to the 4090, but the 16gb vram will be lacking for 4k res

Frame Gen is horrible I keep that crap turn off

Alright my tribe, I need some help.
I got some sad medical news - going blind in my right eye, early onset glaucoma - building a PC for the first time in 9 years to cheer myself up.
X870 motherboard, Ryzen 9 9700x, in hand, and a 7900xt for $650 here by late January.
Do I hold and run the 7900xt (Hell Hound edition) or kill that purchase and do the 5070?
Help please.

when every frame is fake then none of them are

The 4090 did sort of end up being the top card for over 2 years from 10/12/2022 release to end of this month

With inflation these prices are actually decent, nvidia read the room