BEST fast 3D PRINTER? X1 Carbon VS. Voron 2.4 VS. V400

atm im looking at P1s with Ams or qidi x max 3, k1 max or the 5m pro. i know qqidi is making an ams which is coming soon

making my own 3d printer sounds like torture lol

I would never change from my bambu printers to a DIY printer......10 years of annoying is enough for me.....printers are not my hobby

I will do the same. I'll buy a Bambu Lab X1 Carbon and then I will print the parts for a Voron. I will have a printer that runs and another one for experimenting.

The reason to build a voron 2.4 is the combination of flexibility and large size. Flexibility as in, more materials, hotter bed, hotter nozzle etc., and large as in, 350mm cube build volume, Nothing else can match that (very powerful) combination. It's also very fast if you dial it in.

Hands down V400. My 1st printer. Joy of my life now. 7 months in.
Modified many aspects by down loading (tweaking) and printing the enclosure and designed my own filament holders. I have a dedicated workshop and the machine sits on a 2'x18" table on wheels. Power supplied from above allows me to move it anywhere. Added unique design for a bolt on base holding 14 spools of filament on the top of the machine. Very easy to change. I installed a constant USB HEPA air filtration inside the enclosure. Room temp ranges from 70 - 80 and humidity ranges from 35 to 47. Have had zero problems so far. Quiet, moves out of my way and the birds show up to watch it run through the window. Using Klipper pad I was able to push it bounce between 900 to 1200mms for printing good angle brackets for a project. I watch & control the machine power and speeder pad from 3 separate locations on the property. Having fun doing so too.

I’m about 1350hrs print time on my x1 carbon and it’s still running great. Only had to swap out clogged hotends a couple times. I’ve had to pull apart the extruder and clean it out because certain exotic filaments can clog up the gears in it. Biggest issue I’ve had is a failure to extract filament error but I fixed that with a 3d printed long elbow at the toolhead. I’m thinking I might replace some of the feeders on my AMS because I’ve ran a bunch of cf-pla through it and it’s really rough on the ams.haha I’m pretty sure that most the problems I’ve had on this printer were self created from trying out super hard filaments, if I only ran pla or abs it wouldn’t of had any issues except for the filament extraction thing. Carbon rods and bearings are fine, standard cleaning and maintenance.

The main thing that I worry about with the Bambu is the use of bushings on carbon slider rods. As an engineer that combination worries me from a wear perspective, and I've noticed some limited reports of bushing wear "out in the wild" (but not as much as I would have guessed). This issue could be mitigated if Bambu designed the bushings to be end-user replaceable.

The Voron's linear rails OTOH should be completely bombproof as well as being easily replaced. Yes, they weigh more and limit achievable acceleration, but there are reasons why you don't see configurations like the Bambu's in professional printers or similar motion-intensive devices.

I'm now considering a larger printer since my home made delta printer is kind of small (Mini Kossel clone). The Bambu P1S at a local store impresses me, but i like to build things. , Your video offers a great comparison between the 3 options. I think i lean towards building the Voron now. One thing I notice from my home made delta printer is that it has some weird noise when the print head moves while printing. The noise works change depending on if the printer makes a circle or a straight line, and noise is also different when the print head is at the center or edge of the bed. Not sure if it's because of my build or because of vibration from the arms, the springs on the arms. The same steper controllers would be totally quiet on a reprap machine. Wondering if the FL400 had similar problem? This noise makes me want to build the Voron instead of modifying the delta for a bigger bed and bigger & longer arms. What do you think? Thanks

Very informative video one issue I have is the price on the Voron should of been quoted much higher if you need printed parts hotend & upgrades to meet the other contenders along with the labor and obstacles to overcome in order to get it running properly. The fact if something goes awry all you get in return is a "well it was nice knowing you 🤝". Zero tech support zero warrantee and from what I see online many elitist's and gatekeepers in that space. Then the two camps of pro Klipper and pro Marlin fw confuses me even further. I just see too many ways to fumble with such a stressful endeavor.

I can't believe how good this looks, I print at like 20mms on my Neptune 3 pro, and lately shit still doesn't look that good

As someone on a budget I'd consider a FLSU Super Racer that goes for 330e when on sale and klipperize it with the usual minor modifications (cooling, bowden / DD, nozzle). Eventually you can get some realistic 250mm/s speed for some 400e, even better if you already have a Klipper server.

Short story long, Im already ordered parts for the 2.4 R2

Can you share what settings you modified to increase your Voron print times? Or point me in a direction?

So...what FDM printer should i get, if i only care about print quality, good tolerances etc.? Seed is a no factor to me. Can't go resin..now i have an ender 3 s1 pro, and i'm not having a fantastic time... spend two days calibrating, and the quality goes to shit after 2-3 prints...manages only 0.3 tolerances, where it was kinda good at 0.15 earlier...

The Voron is like Lego but with more use after building IMO. And still cheaper than some Lego sets... Plus you can use it to make your own Lego!

for 40 euros the cheapest used printer, to assemble my voron )))

So that's what I got from this video:
X1 and V400: quality=price
Voron: almost infinity potential in further improvement

I had one of the best customer support experiences in all of my time as an enthusiast consumer with FLSun. Just wanted to share, I am in no way affiliated with them.

Perfect conclusion

a voron 2.4 kit is about $900 if you spent $1500 for a voron today you're getting the highest end everything money can buy

Had to give you a thumbs up for the in-depth description and for pretty much making me decide on my plans for my next 3D printer. I had in mind to buy the X1C and then print the parts for a Voron there after. Your video pretty much confirmed what I already thought was a good idea. Thank you!!!

If I'm not mistaken, the first commercial 3D printer running Klipper was the BQ Hurakan.

One question, I need to print large format pieces where print quality doesn't matter much, but time is pressing, I'm between the elegoo neptune 3 max and this one. Bearing in mind that this one may require sectioning off larger pieces and waiting for the glue to dry when joining them, I'll still be able to get my pieces faster with this one than waiting for it to print in one piece in the elegoo even if it has a .8 mm extruder? Thanks in advance for your time

I live in Czech republic. X1C cost here $1750. Voron with Dragon HF from Formbot cost $1000 included printed parts bought separately.

Thumbs up just for intro music.

Kp3s

Incredibly good, useful and in depth comparison.

Maisdreschen, geil! :)

very specific question, but do you think a 3D printer, especially the FLSUN V400, can be used to print dirt bike parts, and be strong enough? Thanks

Just say no to proprietary parts.

I bought the V400 and it arrives next week. I hope I haven't made a mistake. My main appeal with V400 was the vertical size, as I have more room in that direction than horizontally. I also wanted wifi instead of SD cards. The main reason why I wanted a 3D printer was to be able to print shoe lasts from TPU.

Voron is not a printer, it's a lifestyle! 🧐

You have a black explorer loaded with emgs, that's the highlight in the video

Hello,
First of all, thank you for this beautiful video. You mentioned that the print area gets smaller as the pressure increases for the v400. Could you give some information about the dimensions? I'm about to buy v400 I need your support :)

As an artist who prints his own sculptures I'm glad I went with the Bambu X1

Can't wait until we see some good Creality K1 reviews. Curious how it stands up to Bambu's contest.

Im thinking of all the fun stuff i would of printed as a kid.. like crazy Tech-Deck Rams or Ultimate Cage Match Wrestling Rings for Wrestlers 😊

X1C seems like a no brainer to me, no?

too much talking SHIT for a NO EXISTENT machine indeed, i mean the Voron
who cares that machine

Bambus are not for Enthusiasts they are for general consumers. Not even close to what you can pull off with a hotrodded BLV/Voron/Ratrig... etc.... not really the same people buy these.... same bloody cost tho lol

Which one would be better x1c or flsun v400?

I'm thinking on getting the x1c would you recommend it. I want really good quality prints. If you print slower on the will the quality get even better?

Hi. I've been following your videos for a while and I eventually bought the V400.

I've seen that you mentioned that it suffers from Smoothing. I've got the input shaper hardware and run the calibration and the detail level has improved but I still feel it is not maxed. I'm getting hump3_ei with 95 on X and 104 on Y. (I have a 3rd fan mounted)

Also after the input shaping I have started seeing slightly higher ghosting than before. Any suggestions on how I can improve detail further and get rid of the ghosting?

That's the last straw x1c it is now just gotta put that $ together 😅

Great video. Thank you. I got the Ender 3 a month ago, first printer, great fun. I'm buying the Bamboo today after watching your video.

I'm glad it was you who made this video. I don't know if I'd trust anyone else's opinions to be unbiased.

Bambu now has a stripped down 1p1 printer which is all same x1c but without walls and laser tool and more basic screen. All at 650€!!! Insane

I thought the BIQU Hurakan was the first printer that came with Klipper preinstalled? Where did you read that the V400 was the first one?