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Enchanted arrows speed up killing on master a lot with weakness soul trap bows. Kinda requires duping arrows though
ОтветитьAdding Drain Health on Top of a Single Element Weakness stacking weapon doesnt cost that many charges and still helps kill people faster
ОтветитьHow about Drain Health 100 for 2 sec?
Ответитьoh yay it seems my testing was right. though does the chaos actually give more damage though? I just wanna ask to understand it as having 3 sources but on 3 damage each gives 9 total while having 1 you had 10 shock damage so you had more damage off the shock only bow in theory right? or is something about that weird where despite the total being lower the chaos would do more? Because least when I tested on several types of enemies I always got the same number of shots off with both but since i found my total higher w/ the single element i just went w/ that. I will say chaos is much better in my tests with the dagger though as not having to have that stupid 3 seconds makes a huge difference. But that also makes me wonder... is it not worth putting particularly higher base damages on your dagger or spell? Like for me I made a really expensive spell with 100 shock for 2 seconds, 2 second soul trap, 1 second para, telekinesis both for absorbing my own spell and to get touch animation and 3 second weaknesses but... is that best? I put 2 seconds on those 2 because from what I can tell the spell cast animation even w/ touch isn't near as fast as the dagger so like... 2 seconds seemed it'd fit. But was that correct? Is 100 damage base just not worth my time? It definitely kills really fast but wondering if it's worth the extra magic cost to get the way higher base or if I should say screw it and go w/ a low base version?
ОтветитьIs it possible to use recovery spells instead of destruction? And how much difference will there be?
ОтветитьLove these test videos. Keep up the good work! 🤘
ОтветитьBeen watching some of these videos since the remaster came out, i dont think its for me. Optimizing the fun out of the game imo.
ОтветитьYou're spot on about the 3s weakness duration being a sweet spot for standard bow use. Good video BTW
It really comes down to that critical timing chain:
Debuff from Arrow 1 (3s) > (DrawTime_A2 + AimTime_A2 + PlayerMoveTime + ArrowTravel_A2)
Basically, the total time to land your next shot has to be less than those 3 seconds for the weakness to stack and multiply.
This works well at the medium ranges shown. But it makes me think:
Long Range Sniping: Arrow travel time for both shots could eat up most of that 3s window, making it hard to maintain the ramp.
Mobile Targets: Constantly re-aiming or dodging would also make hitting within 3s a challenge.
So while 3s is a solid general choice, might need to adjust by creating a second bow longer range fights or very agile enemies so you can easily switch between the two bows. The 2s with the radial cancel exploit definitely shows how much draw speed impacts this
On my master playthrough I was bow until level 20. At that point I had to change to dagger/shield. Bow even using dupe glitch to have unlimited enchanted arrows from the cove of the same damage type im ramping is extremely weak when the daedra start getting huge resists and hp pools
ОтветитьA weakness to poison ramp would make a good end game bow combo to test. It would be cool to see how many ramps are needed before one easy to make poisoned arrow will do the job.
ОтветитьYou can get your soul trap and shock Damage from your arrows instead of your bow enchant if you want to really optimize. It's a pain to get enough arrows but possible if you keep resetting the pirate cove fletcher vendor. Or you can just get 4 and duplicate them.
Arrow of Voltage does 15 shock damage and 5 second soul trap.
Arrow of Storm Strike does 40 shock damage for 2 seconds (80 total shock damage), but no soul trap.
Frost is more cost efffective than shock btw
ОтветитьAs far as I'm aware Illusion spells don't have the 95% penalty with weapon enchantments so I have Frenzy on mine while I weave in and out of invisibility, then poison the last guy. Poisons are way broken.
Edit: Frenzy only works on humanoids though sadly and Command Creature costs an insane ammount as an enchant so the bow is very situational.
Combination of elements with arrows would help right? Daedra are weak to shock usually, so soul trap 1, each element dmg 3, weak each element 3, weak magic 3, then some elemental arrows on top of that? Could the magic dmg from the arrows take the place of the enchanted magic dmg?
ОтветитьMy optimal set up rn for end game has been madness bow enchanted with fire/ice for about 20 ish damage together. I think I got up to 24 damage with 18 uses
Weakness to all 3 elements. (Could definitely just do fire/ice) weak to poison and weak to magic all 3 sec. Then I add 1 of 2 poisons
The last dab: for most enemies silence
burden
paralyze
damage health
damage magicka
fire damage
Brainfreeze: For daedra/gates
All same effect except frost damage instead of fire
This gets me a 2 shot on daedrith on expert in most cases and 1 shot sneak attack with a strong arrow (cleansing/60 frost damage arrow etc.)
Only thing that tanks a few shots are xivilai 3/4 shots and the Lich’s because they cancel a lot of the effects
Oh also last thing I will use a targeted weakening spell sometimes with frost damage (so I get the frost cloud and wider hit box) which combined with a poison will basically make the bow one shot everything except the two I mentioned
Making a bow with a ramp of 5-6 seconds and soul trap is what I've found to be the most comfortable for gameplay.
You can afford a miss.
The elemental damage then needs to come from the use of specific enchanted arrows, most of which can be purchased from the Pirate Cove Fletcher.
At most you can get 10 elemental damage on a ramped bow with a 1-2 second ramp.
You can get arrows that do 40 elemental damage with a 2s duration.
Better in my opinion to make a more forgiving ramp and then use the arrows.
If you really want to cheese you can do your magic ramps 3-4 seconds, with soul trap and command humanoid or command creature. Hitting an enemy while you have command humanoid / creature makes them non-hostile and you can infinitely sneak attack or shoot them, while you have enchanted arrows equipped.
Is that modded armor?
ОтветитьI've been doing an arcane-archer playthrough. If you rely on enchanted arrows like Arrow of Storm-Strike for the damage and just focus the bow enchantment on weakness ramping for that single element it's pretty dang effective. But for most situations, I personally like a Drain Health 100 for 1 sec, drain endurance 100 for 1 sec. It reduces their effective health pool a ton and I get 28 uses; no need for ramping really. Especially if you wanna get the most out of an arrow type that is more scarce.
ОтветитьI prefer poisons - you can make very interesting poisons and all you need is a Weakness to Poison, either as spell or on the bow.
ОтветитьThe fact you have to hit every shot makes it more fun
ОтветитьMake op bow with drain fatigue, you will be surprised)
ОтветитьThat radial cancel is amazing! I'd been really hating how slow the bow shoots, and this is amazing tech to know.
ОтветитьI’m wondering if you could create a couple of AOE target weakness spells offloading the cost of all of those enchants on the bow, you could then put more powerful damage enchants on the bow and reduce shots to kill even further?
Ответитьyou are missing something really big special arrows can do 80 shock or fire damage so that arrow gets ramped fast
ОтветитьRespect for the Guild Wars shoutout
ОтветитьHow does a weakness bow work with enchanted arrows?
ОтветитьHow does the stack work like if you're hidden and get the 3x sneak bonus?
ОтветитьThis is why I'm changing my mentality about bows in Oblivion: they're not for general purpose damage. They're for:
• OHKO weak targets at range.
• Defensive crowd control debuffs at range.
• Combat openers.
• Applying debuffs before closing the distance and switching to the Block/Destruction on Touch loop.
Your builds are awesome, I usually just stick to Destruction and Restoration but watching your vids opened my eyes to Illusion, Mysticism, enchanting. Also your characters are beautiful lol. The Dark Paladin lady was also peak. 😮
Ответитьpoison
Ответитьwhat armor are you using? i want those gauntlets!!
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