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Great video Sean, It's a fantastic insight into Dawn's work, and she touched on the subject in this interview. As a male photographer, I feel that it's a hell of a lot harder to get the same candid pictures as a woman photographer could ever achieve. I believe this to be fact not just an opinion.
ОтветитьThe idea that a person cannot just take pictures of strangers because they are men is very true, I think. There is that stereotype that men photographing strangers is creepy and they are looking for women or children to prey upon. That is what has kept me from trying to take candid shots of people on the street. Would they see me as a creep, would I be reported and have to deal with police? It is intimidating, certainly. Even when asking some women I know if they would let me photograph them for portraits, I feel like they are getting the wrong idea of my request. Of course, I could be overthinking that as well, and they could just be shy or feel they wouldn't look good. Either way, it hinders me from wanting to really explore shooting more than landscapes.
ОтветитьIn my opinion . . many interesting looking people have usually spent some time creating their interesting “look” . . and the experience of someone wanting to capture their look in an image is not new to them, and a high percentage simply take the process in stride . . and many appreciate your recognition of their uniqueness. I did event photography for years and this was the most common reaction I got from subjects.
ОтветитьSo nice, great attitude, approach—it is a gift to take the image and be there to receive it. Thanks Sean. As ever, an inspiration, yourself.🥰
ОтветитьShe is just awesome. What a great teacher.
ОтветитьI've just begun experimenting with street photography and I feel much the same as she does, about being fascinated with peoples stories. But so far, I only experiment with street photography at public events where there is some expectation of photography happening. And I use a quality zoom lens so I don't have to intrude too close to the subjects. I don't feel the need to have the eye contact. Its nice to get shots with eye contact, but I have not yet gotten over that feeling of being "caught" doing something I shouldn't if someone sees me taking their photo.
I avoid photographing children without permission, especially if I do not know the family. Partly because they are not necessarily consenting to being in a public place and dont have the same understanding/expectation of the lack of privacy like adults do, and partially because the way we share photography today is mainly online, and I don't want to inadvertently cause a child to become a victim of less than virtuous people. It is a shame, though, since children rarely have the filters that adults do and are almost always authentically themselves in every moment. Whatever emotion they have, it is true and pure, and demonstrative of the human condition.
Thanks for sharing this.
I'm a subscriber because of your storytelling...
ОтветитьWhen I take photos through a window, I'm always bothered by my own reflection. Dawns reflection is in some of her photos.
If I take a photo of a shop owner or someone working in one of the open air markets, I will often later make a print and give it to the subject. I get just as much satisfaction from giving them that gift as I do from snapping the shutter.
Hmm..As a parent I would seriously advise against taking photos of someone's kids unless they ask you to. If I'd see a stranger coming out of nowhere, and they start taking pictures of my kid, that would really set off the alarm, and I would most certainly confront them. Male or female.
ОтветитьNo disrespect to Dawn or her beautiful, well-crafted photos. As much as candid photos have inspired me over the years, more and more candid photos make me really uncomfortable. They always seem skirt a razor line of legality, ethics, and consent, and are especially bad from male photographers who only ever take photos of attractive women, sometimes of just barely legal age. Dawn acknowledges the subject after, which is more respectful than most. In my opinion, identifiable portraits should always have prior consent. While candid street photos have a rich history, in the internet age when published photos are immediately available to intense scrutiny and rapid identification by a global hive mind, we must hold ourselves to a higher standard than in days gone by. Ultimately, living an ethical life is more important than getting the shot.
Edit: just to be clear, I am glad that Sean made this video, as it is an extremely important conversation to have. I realize that my personal ethical lines may not be the same as others and that having a different view does not inherently make them an unethical person. However, I still stand by my previous statements, especially in regards to sexually attractive, often very young women being photographed without prior knowledge and having that image be published on the internet.
Thank you. Great information and beautiful photographs.
ОтветитьThe gender discrepancy seems understated. My very first digital camera was an Fujifilm Axia Eyeplate digital camera back in 2002. I went crazy shooting everything and everyone on the street. I couldn't shoot enough people with no consent or permission. Guys never seemed to care, but in time, women started growing weary and then objecting to having been shot.
In the 20 years since, our culture has grown more prone to call anything creepy and stalking, and I can no longer do that. But maybe I should just bite the bullet and go out on Melrose one day.
The photos are beautiful and I love the story of how she got into street portrait photography. I feel conflicted though because of the lack of consent from the subjects, I feel like instead of just a nod and walking away, maybe you should take your photo and then go up to them and ask if it is ok. Maybe offer to provide them a copy. That way you still get your candid shot, but without disrespecting the subject in a way. Not everyone likes or wants to be photographed and you can argue it is a public space but many people just want to go about their day without some rando walking up to them and taking photos. That is my opinion anyway.
ОтветитьJust clicked on this and straight away realised my home city, Exeter. Awesome
ОтветитьThis was a really great video. I felt so connected to Dawn’s beautiful images and it was so inspiring for my own work. It was also great that it was filmed in Exeter… my home city. 👍👍👍
ОтветитьI have to say that I really like that you build anticipation by not showing the images until the end.
ОтветитьHey Sean, totally digging' your vids, fam. Your view to the world is epic. Based on your vision, and Samuel's, I just ordered a Gr3x. Had enough of lugging my FF around for street. Goin' mobile....!
ОтветитьI like that she still uses an Xt1. Even an 'older' model digital camera can produce fantastic images.
ОтветитьWhat an amazing video and story Sean and Dawn your an inspiration to me and you given me a lot to think about. Regards Graham ❤
ОтветитьLoved this. Good that it highlights how hard it is for men as oppossed to women and the inequality that men have to deal with. I would say, just be subtle, polite and personable then whatever sex you are you should be able to get great shots of anyone.
ОтветитьHow do you manage with GDPR?
ОтветитьReally enjoyed this video. As always the pace of your videos are wonderful as well as the structure leans one to enjoy the entire program. Thank you.
ОтветитьImagine a guy taking pictures of all those kids.
ОтветитьA great video as ever. But I’m a little confused by the title of street photographer. I’m hoping someone can clarify this for me. I understand wedding, commercial and portrait photographer etc. But surely you can’t make money from this as you would need model releases for your shots. Or do people just mean that they take street photos as a hobby? I can’t imagine a company thinking we need to hire a street photographer.
I would never be able to do this, whether or not it was for money, but I am interested if others do make a living out of it.
Finally got around to watching this wonderful video. Dawn, your work is so beautiful. Such great tips and philosophy here. (Even for us older women, ahem...) ;-) Thank you for bringing so much great work to our attention through your videos, Sean. Really, really love these. Your talent as a videographer is so appreciated in a time when most videos feature loud noises, images popping one after another...enough to make one's head spin. Your music, intentionality, slowing down, deep dives - balm to the soul. Bravo all around.
Ответитьgreat inspiration. Thank You Sean for this Documentary.
ОтветитьWhat a beautiful film ❤
Ответитьit has definitely inspired me, I am going out to the streets asap! thank you for this interview!
ОтветитьThe Xf35mm 1.4 - I'm not surprised at all, it's my go-to as well. Natural first reactions are defensive, so many of the first moment expressions are hostile in the eyes so when I view back I sense this and can't connect. The secret is the eyes, if eyes connect with warmth then that's the keeper. Agreed, easier as a woman as men are more likely to be open, women too if a male photographer is visually interesting to them. For the rest of us there's the street girls or street cats as both have an optimistic incentive to respond warmly... I enjoy the elderly and discovering the stories behind the creases on a withered face. Lovely stuff Sean as always.
ОтветитьBeautiful case study. Loved hearing about her process. Wonderful portraits.
ОтветитьThree things, she is lovely - so thoughtful and self aware. Secondly you were right about 'story first then images at then end', don't listen otherwise. Her photos are extraordinary, not just one, or even two, but all of them. Master of timing.
ОтветитьInspiring.. thanks for sharing 🙏🏽
ОтветитьLisbon, Portugal. DAWN started nice shots. Go ahead and my congrats.
ОтветитьI really enjoyed listening to Ms. Eagleton's insights as well as seeing her excellent work, but was a little put off by her dismissal of the male photographer's remark about it being more difficult as a male. Obviously no one is saying that creating in these situations does not take effort and skill from anyone, but to pretend that society-wide prejudices that serve as very real barriers are inconsequential, is absurd. Saying that "equally men and women can be intimidating" is disingenuous at best.
ОтветитьQuestion on the ethics of street when it comes to photography like this which I think is fascinating and dawns work is awesome but if people are in private spaces like offices or bars or establishments and not on the street in public spaces can we take portraits like this and publish without consent? New to street abs trying to get a handle on what is allowed or works or not especially for portrait style streets. Thanks all and thanks Sean for the great vids!!
ОтветитьBravo Dawn
ОтветитьI loved this. Thank you both!
ОтветитьGreat pictures. and you are right sometimes it is harder for guys to get good street photos especially if the subject is a woman. so many stereo types for sure, but after a lifetime of taking pictures, you are spot on with the what i call instant real moments, they make the best shots, A posed shot is never quite the same. Dawn does great work, very nice indeed.
ОтветитьThanks Sean for featuring Dawn and her wonderful work. Very inspiring. Just followed her on IG.
ОтветитьI follow this lady on Instagram. I am glad that you did a piece on her. Been following her for a couple of years
ОтветитьI really appreciate all of her experience and wisdom. That said, I WOULD NEVER attempt the style of photography that she does. I've already gotten random accusation when I'm shooting LANDSCAPES about people not wishing to have their picture taken. It would take just one false accusation of something heinous for me to never want to touch my camera again. Again, she's a master at what she does but I don't think she truly gets the fear that some men like me feel.
ОтветитьWow, those were some beautiful powerful images. Every image told a story. I hope to some day try potrait street photography. Definitely, there were important tips provided but there is always this sense of fear..someone reacting angrily.
ОтветитьNot sure how much she would get away with photographing people like that in Los Angeles. 🤷🏻♂
ОтветитьWhat a brilliant content, thank you
ОтветитьIs it just me or are almost all the subjects who realize they are being photographed are not looking pleased by it? I understand you don't have an expectation of privacy in a public place, but the fact she is so close makes me uncomfortable with the ethics.
ОтветитьWonderful portraits with so much character. More character even than many 'formal' portraits I've seen.
Pictures of strangers in every day situations are rarely as interesting and engaging as these.
I have to admit that while I thought the thumbnail image was great picture, I assumed that it was probably a one-off. How wrong I was.
Nice to see something else than an white dude with a Leica.
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