No on Proposition 8 John Cho - Actor, Young Father

@bethnor you did not provide it, but i dug up the MIT piece. it is laughably and predictably simply a more eloquent reiteration of the ridiculous polygamy, beastiality, and pedophilia points. it also FAILS to address the point about how society allows barren adults and the elderly who do not wish to conceive to marry. like you, it also FAILS to address how the two above can "theoretically" have children. it also makes the false claim that children is what most benefits the state, an untruth.

@bethnor but what else should i expect from you, except lies, untruths, evasions, and obfuscation? again: all empirical studies done on the matter have shown that children adopted by homosexual couples have the same outcomes as children reared by heterosexual ones. why should i move this to private messages? it amuses me to see you post lies so you can be "right" and have the last word. what would jesus think?

@SNCrangers12367 btw, i don't hate the christian god. as i stated, i don't believe there's any such person. i intensely dislike christians who claim to know its mind, an impossible solipsism. it's terribly amusing how you deny any connection with the treatment of african americans, when the whole, "if only you'll believe, you'll get something better after you're dead" was the same lie slavemasters used to keep slaves in line.

@SNCrangers12367 "it is not natural" is NOT an argument. as i said, in nature, overwhelmingly, what is natural is polyamory. in many higher mammals, the father is absent. indeed, mother grizzlies are almost entirely responsible for rearing cubs, as the father will eat them in times of duress. groups of females are responsible for rearing children amongst elephants, with the males being absent and leaving when they reach sexual maturity. any more lies?

@SNCrangers12367 "African as well as Asiatic males will engage in same-sex bonding and mounting. The encounters are analogous to heterosexual bouts... Unlike heterosexual relations, which are always of a fleeting nature, those between males result in a "companionship", consisting of an older individual and one or two younger... Same-sex relations are common and frequent in both sexes, with Asiatic elephants in captivity devoting roughly 46% of sexual encounters to same-sex activity."

@deRoyLight it's always fascinating to me how the religious speak about "nature" without knowing anything about it. it's why i continue to have the exchange despite the futility... it amuses me to see what they come up with, though this one has been disappointingly predictable.

@SNCrangers12367 more fatuous absurdities. either humans are part of nature, or they aren't. either homosexuality is natural, or it isn't. in both cases, the answer to both is TRUE, humans are part of nature, and homosexuality exists in nature. therefore the claim that homosexuality is not natural is a LIE. but why not lie, since that's what you've done over and over again, including breaking the statement that you were done commenting here?

@SNCrangers12367 there is every reason to be moral in this lifetime. if we were not moral to each other now, very quickly the human civilization will come to an end. on the other hand, the idea of a heavenly reward destroys ethics. it means you do things because you want something for it... not because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

@SNCrangers12367 in what way are homosexuals not second class citizens? you don't want them to serve in the military, they can't get married, and if bachmann and many of her colleagues had it their way, you could be fired from your job. and i doubt you knew about the situation for homosexuals in uganda or saudi arabia until i brought it to your attention. and i recognize that i'm very lucky to live here, which is why i speak out against ALL OF IT.

@SNCrangers12367 anger? try amusement at your fatuous lies. it's fun watching you go back on your word, lie, be evasive and ignorant. does jesus approve? you never answered, since you claim to know yahweh's mind and all.

@SNCrangers12367 wonderful! more lies! why don't you click on your own userid? "I don't believe in God, I know him." does jesus approve? also, if gay people throw away their lives, as you recommend, how will yahweh reward them? will he make their souls "straight" in heaven? will he make the person they love a woman? how does it work out? please do tell.

@SNCrangers12367 very simple. you evade the questions, you lie about the nature of homosexuality, and you demonstrate ignorance about the fact that the human species is overpopulating the planet. amongst other things.

@SNCrangers12367 oh good! if you don't mind people being gay, why can't they be allowed to seek happiness in the only life we know they get? why do you wish to punish them for accident of birth?

if you don't know what heaven is like, on what basis do you demand that homosexuals live out their lives alone?

@SNCrangers12367 look up the average doubling time of the human species. look up how quickly we are consuming vital resources... including clean water. study something other than your religious texts. and you very clearly lied very simply by stating that homosexuality is not natural, when it IS. a lie of ignorance is still a lie.

and answer the question. on what basis do you demand that homosexuals live alone? and you very clearly said at the beginning of the conversation, that god was asking us not to do this one "little thing." are you going to make me find your quote?

and you also very clearly said you were done doing this publicly. another lie. this time i'm glad you lied. it's quite enjoyable watching you go back on what you said. and where have i lied? please do show.

so not only did you claim to know its mind, you also lied about not claiming to know its mind. oh, and do point out the part of the new testament where god says once you have a 3 system government, computers, and modern technology, you can throw out the old testament.

@SNCrangers12367 if homosexuals shouldn't live alone, why can't they get married? how's that for straws?

@SNCrangers12367 also, since you agree, then, that homosexuals should not live out their lives alone, why can't they get married? what arrangement should it be instead?

@SNCrangers12367 how does it effect you? you will still go on to get married. at least 90% of the human population is straight, so this notion that somehow the human race will end is fatuous.

@SNCrangers12367 CONSENTING ADULTS. included, in the things that can not give consent: dogs, cats, houses, rainbows, stones, computers, children, rain, the sky, mountains. also, did you, or did you not say the following, "I don't know why you're so upset that God gives free will but says as the creator of the universe, just restrain yourself from doing these few things." did you, or did you not, go on to deny that you claimed to know yahweh's mind?

Short, sweet, and powerful. I love this man

yeeeee Harold!!!

@EIGHTYNINENINERS Thats very nice. Now please include a point

Man, I can't believe this guy is 39!!!!

@idmji89: John Cho is an ACTOR. Harold is a *FICTIONAL CHARACTER*. If you can't distinguish between real people and FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, then you are dangerously illiterate and need professional help.

i love you even more XD

@EIGHTYNINENINERS, let me educate you in reality. Homosexuality is an innate, natural condition bestowed upon some of His children by the Lord. It is no more a "choice" than your skin color, height, or the hand you naturally write with. There's no such thing as a "gay lifestyle"; that term was coined by the ignorant to convince other ignorants to join their anti-minority agenda. It's like saying there's a "left-handed agenda". Gays don't have a lifestyle, they have a life.

@EIGHTYNINENINERS, of course, no rational, educated, God-loving person would even try to make such a ludicrous comparison between consensual adult relationships, which enrich and nurture the individuals involved, with raping children and murdering people. You clearly lack the intellectual & moral capacities necessary to engage in adult conversations about the human condition. While I have every pity for those of you who remain...limited, it appears you can't be educated, alas.

@EIGHTYNINENINERS You're pretty good at deciding how god would judge someone aren't you? Matthew 7:1-5 And James 4:12 You aren't god, don't tell people they are going to hell when you have NO RIGHT whatsoever to make those judgements yourself. And don't say "I'm just warning them" I will quote you to demonstrate "God is the judge and you are a criminal in His eyes" You just declared yourself to have the same rights to judge as god. Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone. Moron.

Very eloquent. Not long, not full of loud voices and shouting. Just a quiet, measured and intelligent expression of an important idea.

My asian americans. Stand up!

Btw. Most the fools on here who r "debating" should just shut the fuck up. Period. Stop trying to prove a point cuz everyone has a right to tjer own opinion. Trying to prove a point against the grain is like trying to convince a nazi tjat jews are ok. So just shut the fuck up. Stop wasting your time. And do us all a favor ans shut ur fucking trap u goddamn whiners. "ooh he doesnt agree what i believe soo imma try to push my beliefs on him." who fucking cares?! To each there fucking own!

Why yes, I do want to make it illegal to hate someone and restrict their rights based on the religious beliefs of others, but DOING that is hypocritical, so instead, I just call them stupid. Also, you really need to get better at speaking english, because your sentence made no sense at all.

Well no, you see, since it's two different things, I'm calling them stupid for oppression a group of people for no particular reason, whereas they find MY viewpoint stupid because I'm against that oppression due to the fact that it causes things such as high rates of suicide and depression amongst that particular group of people.

Wait wait wait, you have a food drive ESPECIALLY for homosexuals? Or is that just homeless people in general, in which case I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know they were gay in the first place. By oppression, I mean forsaking rights that other people, who can afford them, can have. For example, a straight couple can get married, but a gay one can't, even in a church that would voluntarily do it.

I fail to see what that has to do with anything. Countries which have accepted gay marriage are prospering MUCH MORE than those that don't, see: Canada, Sweden, Switzerland vs America, who's big Banks caused the GFC. (Yes, that's right, it's not Obama's fault) and I'm not from America, this is objective viewpoint on what happened. I can explain it to you later.

From what you say, God is going to punish a whole country because of the actions of a couple, I would not call that justice. I would not wish to spend an eternity with someone who cannot differentiate a minority from a majority, in which case, since you've been so clean of sin all your life, you would get to go to heaven anyway, and the only people who would suffer, according to you, are the non christian homosexuals.

I'm using english as a verb, not as a noun. I'm also putting commas in the right places, since I have a grammar check on my computer to tell me if I'm doing things wrong. Someone doesn't know what a comma does...

What, homosexuals don't damage gender roles, firstly, secondly, how are gender roles are good thing? They legitimately do NOTHING but force genders to be restricted into certain things irrelevant of desire to do anything else.

You are confusing transgendered people with homosexuals, I think. Also, does that mean you are against mothers who leave to work, and stay at home dads? Is that wrong to you? What about two working parents, is that also wrong? Explain how society becomes ineffective because Gender roles are challenged?

Why so, I mean there are many studies showing that having two homosexual parents is much more secure than raising a child as a single heterosexual parent, and just as secure as raising one in a heterosexual environment of two people. In the even of there being no child, why would such things matter? I mean, can a masculine man only be with a feminine and weak willed woman? Is that the way things work?

I hope you meet a feminist one day.

No, I'm from Australia. You know, the country that uses English as it was originally, not appropriated to be easier.

Even if it's the majority, that still means the minority who disagree would get punished as well, that's still hardly justice.

Maybe he should show us the bigger picture then, instead of making us punish a group just because he says so.

Charlize Theron was in a film where she played a murderer but I'm pretty sure she hasn't murdered anyone, nor does she condone it. Movies are made for entertainment, not to set a moral standard. This is the most ridiculous statement I've read this week.

Job. Just. Job, he let be punished just to prove the Job trusted him. All his friends said "you must have displeased god somehow" and Job hadn't, it was purely god fucking with him. How do YOU know god isn't just fucking with all of us?

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