I Finally Understand The WISDOM SAGA! (I Think)

I mean at least when it comes to greek mythology, gods can, and have very much died. The Olympians (Zeus and the gang) killed their own parents and took power, and Zeus (kindof like Odin in Norse Mythology) is hung up on prophesies and such, and is terrified that humanity will one day be powerful enough kill them.

In Greek mythology other Gods can kill Gods. Their immortality is more like never ageing or never suffering from the stuff humans do (ie. Sickness , ageing)

I don’t know if they are going to help Odysseus maybe all the gods and goddesses that saw Zeus kill Athena will try to help Odysseus get home and as for the other sagas will just have to wait for it to come out and the animations

HE ACTUALLY NOTICED THE WINION!!! The literal only person who i’ve seen catch that

Athena having this almost maternal energy towards Telemachus hits so much different when you've listened to Teagan's Mother songs

In Love in Paradise, Calypso mentions that Odysseus talks in his sleep which then ties into her chose of words at the end of the song.

Things he was probably saying in his sleep--
* "i'll stay inside your heart" is what his mother was saying when in the Underworld
* "open arms" obviously opens arms is Polites song

She was attempting to console him with words from his past but ends up triggering a panic attack. Notice how after she says 'stay inside your heart' is when he starts singing louder. He's trying to drown out her words. just to make that song even sadder.

In God Games, specifically Ares and Aphrodite and Hera.

First what you gotta know is that in the greek myths (depending where you read) Hephaestus takes Hera hostage and Zeus gives him Aphrodite to wed to appease him and release Hera. BUUUUUTTT Aphrodite is lowkey tryna be with Ares. After Hephaestus finds out about Ares and Aphrodite he locks them up in the gold bedroom to humiliate them and expose their infidelity to the rest of olympus. Hence why they conceded kind of begrudgingly coz she brings up them being lovers on top of debasing their points. And also it is very well known that 90% of Greek Mythology stems from Zeus being unable to keep it in his pants and not being faithful to Hera, Hence why Hera concedes after hearing that Odysseus has never cheated on Penelope despite being apart for 20yrs.

I'm glad my summary helped you! Most of the information I gave you was from J himself, but I also put my own knowledge in it. In my explanation for "Love in Paradise" I said it's implied that Calypso SA'd Odysseus. This is NOT something Jorge has confirmed yet. I added that tibit because in the original Epic that is something that happens. But J might change that.

And as for the ending, it is not confirmed that Athena died. It's likely that she didn't die but I'm not sure which direction J is going in. There are many things in which J sticks to the original source material, but he also take a lot of creative liberties. So we will all find out soon, lol.

If you ever need more information I will gladly help!

While the whole "Calypso SA" thing may have happened in the original Odyssey, it doesn't seem to happen in Epic. Firstly, Calypso acts much less forceful in Love in Paradise than in the og story, she is specifically linked to Polites with the "open arms" thing, and honestly, I doubt they would link her to Polites if she was doing things that horrible. Not to mention in the demo for "Not Sorry for Loving You" (the next Calypso song in the next saga) Odysseus admits he loves her, just platonically rather than romantically, and I doubt he would do that if he was literally being assaulted by her.

Greek names are tricky, but here they are phonetically: Tell-em-a-cuss, Oh-dis-ee-us, Anne-tin-oo-us

I don’t think Athena’s dead. Not only would that not make much sense in the context of the mythology, but in the original Odyssey, Athena plays a key part in Telemachus’s and Odysseus’s stories after the whole God Games thing. Also, gods technically can die, but there are usually traces of them. The original god of the sky, Ouranos, was killed by his son and Zeus’s father, Kronos. Kronos was later killed by Zeus. However, Kronos was still technically alive. His body, chopped into millions of tiny pieces, was thrown into Tartarus, the deepest part of the Underworld. Also, Ouranos still technically has traces left. Aphrodite was born from the chunks of Ouranos’s body foaming in the ocean. Also, the titan Atlas had to hold up the sky from touching the Earth as a punishment for siding with Kronos in the titan war. I don’t know if the mythology explicitly states why he has to hold up the sky, but I’m pretty sure it’s because Ouranos was married to the goddess of the earth, Gaea. So yes, a god can technically die, but they can still linger in some ways.

jorge actually made a yt short about the twerking winion lol

Can I be on the board sire 🎉❤❤❤

I would never throw a rock at you.

When he said Ody could befriend the suitors I laughed

What little I know of about Calypso or Kalypso (Other than Calypso is a type of music, of which is played for her song and she has steel drums before she begins to speak as a hint to who she is) is that she is a nymph daughter of the Titan named Atlas/Oceanus/Nereus (Various mythology stories as is normal) and sea nymph Pleione/Tethys. We actually have no information of what she's supposed to be a Goddess OF really, only guess I've ever seen is she's a sea Goddess of beauty. Oh and uh, one little fact I know is she has "been" with Hermes before.

Calypso music is really nice if you ever look it up. The steel drum is a very distinct instrument.

During the flash back in god games, just after Zeus attacks Athena, you can hear Warrior of the Mind playing, but it transitions briefly into Legendary when Athena is handed Telemachus

It’s not really on you… the other sagas are very easy to understand without animations, this saga I think was not written as well lyrically. You basically have to have prior knowledge or watch the animations to get what’s happening here, especially in Little Wolf and God Games.

AH! You noticed the twerking winion!

I think you are First one to see the Winions twerking:)

"Maybe he can forge a relationship with the suitors" - oh lorddd

Fun fact: The Odyssey begins with Athena trying to convince the gods to release Odysseus- so we're actually finally at the beginning of the original story!

Fun fact, the dog following Telemachus in Legendary originally belongs to Odysseus. He's had him since before he left Ithaca for the Trojan War, last I checked. This is Ody's dog 20 years later. Old Age has sadly caught up to the poor k-9.

Athena isn't dead. She's merely unconscious.

The two kids has been a topic of debate on whether it’s true or not, but, yeah, everything else is spot on. She was so alone and delusional that she thought everything she did was ok. As Ody said- he was just a pet to her. Something cute to “entertain” her. While reading The Odyssey, my heart absolutely broke with the lines of him going to the beach and crying. Man couldn’t leave the island, unlike the sea where he always felt he had a way out. So, (and I WISH there had been TWs for these), grief, depression and suicidal thoughts overcame him. He wanted it all to end. After ten years, his first cry of despair was to the goddess who had left him. If she hadn’t answered, I have no doubt the musical would end with his death.

actually if you think about it, Calypso was alone all her life on this island. Ody being there to him was kidnapping but to her was a supposed gift'' from the gods

Fun fact about the doggo that's in the Legendary animatic, that's Argos. Odysseus' dog.

Fun fact; the pre-choruses for Legendary are reprisals of Full Speed Ahead.

Also, Jorge had said he wanted this Saga to really feel like progressing through levels of a game. So we get like an actual game-like animatic for the whole song of Little Wolf, and God Games is supposed to be like going through levels as well. Jorge has been super inspired by games as well as anime for his music.

For We'll Be Fine, apparently for the "then his light went dark" bit, Athena is directly referring to Polites. There's the cut song for him called Your Light; she's calling Polites Ody's Light, and when he died that Light went out.

Watch Jorge's face during the last bit of Love in Paradise. He WROTE this trauma and even he's affected watching that whole bit.

For God Games, Ares' motif is the same as Athena's, just with a different instrument. They're both different sides to the same War coin, so it makes sense they share a motif.

Hi could you put Hailey on the whiteboard please (love your videos btw)

Isn't Athena Zeus's Daughter?

Yes! telemachus was the only one able to see and feel athena’s presence during little wolf, in epic athena has the ability to go into a person’s mind and communicate through his powers: quick thought which was referenced when telemachus asked if time was slowing down and athena replied that she just made his thoughts quicker (hence warrior of the mind) this would also imply that this is how athena is able to train all her heroes and warriors during wars and battles

Fun fact: Ares actually starts the Greek version of the Ragnarok, but instead of all gods dying he just made Zeus Choose to get killed or close All the “Doors” leading to the mortal world, and Zeus chose the latter.

i'm kinda surprised that no one knew Calypso because of Pirates of the Carribean.

Oh, that moment of "Love in Paradise" is actually worse. Calypso called him "Ody" like Eurylochus, said she would "stay inside [his] heart" like his mother did in the Underworld and "open arms" like Polites. So, logically this triggers him to remember all three of these lost loved ones and hear their voices.


That moment in the livestream was awful and a little funny, everyone was freaking out, yelling out for Jorge and calling him Captain. People we're asking who reported the stream and telling them to take a torch.
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The dog is called Argo. In the myths the already old dog waited 20 years for ody to come home and the moment he saw ody safe he promptly died

quick note; Ares is almost always drawn as a greek hoplite, with a kuras, helmet, and shin protectors
god of war, specifically war as experienced by soldiers - the fighting, the pain, the bloodshed as opposed to Athena, goddess of war as fought by generals (through strategy)

kind of the punchingbag of the pantheon in most tellings, but if you read between the lines he really is exactly as cool as he looks - plus v protective of whatever kids he has (surely nothing to do with him being the god of war right <_<)

during the calypso song it wasn't just Polites that she references in the song we heard his mother and his second in command the reason why their voices appeared was when she called him Ody which is the name his second in command called him by and for his mother, she says I'll stay inside your heart which his mother told him in the underworld which made it so much better when all three of them were heard

hey man remember that backrooms rabbit hole you dug yourself? its about to get deeper my friend because slmccl posted another backrooms video :)

I’ll say, Ares’ pot shot at Telemachus may seem kind of uncalled for. But given what Ares’ represents. It’s almost understandable. There isn’t many excuses you could give Telemachus for how his fight with Antinous played out. You can’t say ‘he’s just a kid though!’ Because Telemachus is 20 years old already. Most warriors or just average men back in Ancient Greece at least learned how to fight way before the age of 13. Not to mention Telemachus was the one who squared up with Antinous even if Antinous was the one provoking him. Maybe Ares would’ve respected his courage. But the fact that ATHENA was the one who came in, gave Telemachus a buff and Telemachus STILL lost?! Ares is no doubt pissed about that because he probably was rooting for Telemachus.

I'm pretty sure Telemachus is actually pronounced with stress on the "le" syllable (so Te-LE-machus, not Tele-MA-chus) :)

Sooo where's the actual animatics for circes saga😢

The twerking winion 😂

So to answer your question as best i can god technically cant die but their essence can be scattered this means they exist but not physically and take time to reform as physical beings, hope this helps

If you do another vid for alternate animatics i recommend Duvetbox's Legendary and Little Wolf theyre so good!!
Edit: also AnniFlamma's Ruthlessness

I've watched all your videos for EPIC, and really enjoyed your commentary! I also appreciate that you put in the effort to figure things out, and understand all the details even when you make a mistake.
I was wondering if you'd react to Neal Illustrators Animatic for 'God Games'? It's amazing! Looking forward to the Vengeance Saga :))

i think they didn’t know athena was there, cous let’s be honest, would u continue a fight after a god steped in on the other team…

Give me some feedback on today's video. Was this better than the first attempt?