Learn to Heliloop / Downloop | 2 Easy Steps // Kiteboarding SA Masterclass

One of the best and most usefull kite tutorial!

Very interesting, I love your videos. Thanks

Great graphics man, I'm working on a kiteboat project and the graphics you used to describe the heli-loops are perfect, You mention to not untwist the lines until you are comfortable, which makes sense, however, if you could maintain control, could you produce another heli-loop?

Excellent explanation, thank you!

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Bedankt Steven, super video 👍👍

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I call it a "heli loop" if the loop is mostly overhead like a helicopter blade. I always thought that was where the name came from, but I'm not sure. Thanks for these vids!

Question: Can you overstall your kite during the decent by pulling your bar too far in? Or are the dynamics slightly different when hanging from it with your whole weight compared to riding on the water?

I’ve been trying to figure this out since some of my kites have different sweet spots and if I suddenly stop feeling power/lift with bar pulled in I need to make a split second decision in the air whether to keep it in and hope for a gust or try to adjust out a bit. Of course redirecting the kite helps, but that’s sort of besides the point 😅

90% of the time it's front hand as the kite normally sits to the back , easy way to learn it is just take your backhand off the bar and crank your front hand 1m off the water when landing kite will go round even if it's parked at 12 it can also finish the loop if on water if you pull to late , then do it higher but keep both hands on bar and crank bar only when you swing underneath kite , common mistake is just steering the kite instead of cranking or pulling too late

A downloop is a loop that can be done with either hand in my opinion. A late kiteloop in a jump transition for example. A downloop is used to keep the kite in the power window and avoid loss of momentum. A downloop likely increases or maintains line tension and downwind traveling speed. This is still more desirable than falling gently but without directional speed and so a downloop is often used on small jumps or at the end of larger jumps.

A heli loop is a loop pulled with either hand also. The difference between the two is most likely height at which the kite is looping through the window. A heli loop will have the kiters momentum carrying down and down wind while the kite travels to the edge of the window above the kiter. The wind window is higher above us than usual because we are falling and creating apparent wind in doing so. in other words Pulling a loop while the kite is seeming traveling behind you is in my opinion a heli loop.

Excellent explanation!!

I have always referred to these loops simply as landing loops as they assist in my landing from higher 8m+ jumps where the kite tends to fly behind me or I swing under my kite.

I never actually learned them. They came naturally out of necessity to catch myself on landing or to avoid hot landings. If someone asked me to do one on demand I probably couldn't. They would simply have to wait until the jump where I needed one. And that is dependent on kite size, wind, jump height etc.

My hand actually depends on what side I jump. More or less dependent on habits I have developed. To the left I pull with the front and land as a transition where on my right side I land with the backhand and ride out in the same direction.

I've never been caught up on the name because I consider these loops a landing technique rather than a kite trick. I am really glad to see this video addressing them because they are important for anyone wanting to land safely from higher jumps.

I kite in light wind (15-18 knots) on a 12m evo. I average around 3.3m on my jumps. Sounds like this isn’t high enough to even try a heli loop?

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Because my son is learning to windsurf atm, the kiting got to the background. You make me wanne go again. 😂 Still just doing downloop transitions.. 💩

So would it be a kite loop when you do this loop at or just before the apex?

I only use downloops to refer to front hand surface loops where the kite loops down first and across the window. I like to differentiate between helliloops (in the air with vertical pull) and landing loops (to maintain line tension when landing with speed). I start my students with landing loops during a jump transition just like you showed, and then slowly have them pull the loop a little sooner. One thing that helps with smaller jumps to get a vertical pull is to sheet out a bit before pulling the loop to help the kite climb overhead.

I consider a Heliloop "above" me meaning with 11 and 1 o clock - A Downloop moves outside 11 and 1 imho.

I have been jumping 10-15m high with my 15sqm Duotone DLAB Juice - Does I Heli make sense with that size or would you just try to keep it above you and dive it down with a strong bar pull for landing? (been averaging 6-8sec hangtime on average)

Nice work Steven

The way I define it is : downloop have more horizontal pull while heliloop is more vertical.

Again the most clearly explained tutorial. I love the way that you make your videos. Thanks and please keep making these videos.

Hey Steven! Great video, been waiting for this video. Wanted to know a bit more about the difference between a downloop/heliloop, and how to do them effectively! I just landed my first kiteloop a couple days ago after I had watched your road to kiteloop series! The adrenaline from it was amazing, even though it wasn't too high, just having the tug forwards and landing was so exciting! Keep it up man!!

-Keanu

I’ve a question: sometimes when I go above 8m and get a gust the kite begins to fly behind me while I’m still flying high. It always throws me off and scares me sometimes 😂 what would you suggest in those situations? I have the landing heliloops with the fronthand down consistently.

So, the kite flies behind you just from the descent of a high jump alone? Because I thought it needs to be a little to the side, then depowered a little, before you sheet in while looping.

Awesome video! I'm still confused about down vs heli, but since I have to hold my foil while landing there's only one hand and one way the kite could go.
What I'm happy about is that I could land a kiteloop off a wave in Dahab onto the same wave with a foil strapless, and ride off. Only once or twice but I'm stoked!
But what I find now is that I can comfortably ride my 7m Section in 13 m/s, but in such wind seven isn't the size folks use for jumps. So I'm puzzled: I want more pull up and power in the loop when landing, but once I'm up its not there. Only a few times I could time it right and ride off in Baby Bay without getting my board in the water, but most of time I slam down with a late loop and crash or save. Getting something like a Nexus should be my next step.
And a trip to a spot with a break...

What is the position of the bar when doing heli loop? Is it all the way in at all times or has to be little sheeted out when the kite is flying behind you?

Perfect timing for this upload. Actually was looking up heli loops on the duotone app and this notification came through 😂

Excellent - masterful! Thank you! 🪂

Downloop = a loop with the front hand
Heliloop = a loop with the back hand

simple as that :)
that's how i describe those two types of loops that assist you in the landing phase of the jump.

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Always so calm and relaxt when you clearly explain what to do. Dank je wel :)

Now to remind myself on the way down to keep steering instead of chickening out :')

All your content is excellent. I check in frequently to refresh what I’m working on in my progression. Good examples as well.

Perfect tutorial, Thank you