[40k] When the Chaos Space Marine starts to make a profound argument (Sisters of Battle)

I know there's a load of nerds in the 40k community, so I'm sure a few of you read. Weather you do or don't, do yourself a favour and pick up some Terry Pratchett.

Which I've kind of bastardised here, but still, go buy a book ;)

Ah to age old argument of positivism still runs strong in the grim dark future.
Even though it has been debunked as nonsense.

God if a CSM gave me that kind of talking to, Id tattoo the mark of chaos on my forehead and join up right away.

1🇺🇸🌈🎄🏴‍☠️🏆., 🏈, HONOR YOUR GRAIL!?!? ., a man says i was not born on earth i was created in heaven ., / ...having been touched by God can you forget it , and yet i am a chaplin intereogator of the dark angels the lion el johnson ., see mercy will intercede for you chaos marine...

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Oh, it's Discworld. And it's a part I particularly hate.
Not everything that can be measured is measured in weight. Justice can absolutely be measured, in behavior and ideas (however exactly they are manifested from human brain to human brain) and how well these conform to various particular standards of justice. It's not really practical, but that does not mean that the idea doesn't exist and even without it's manifestation through human behavior, just because it's "only" an idea doesn't disprove its validity.
Screw Death.

Do the same with chaos lol
Seriously, that guy scored gainst his own team

Honestly, this sounds more like what an Imperial would tell someone. Chaos is more like rejecting the lies to embrace the despair and injustice of truth.

GNU Terry Pratchett.

So believing in the aGod Emporer...

I like how the Word Bearers kinda know they're monsters, but believe that the world needs monsters so it's okay.

Dalran music behind, make it even more better

The POINT is whatever I make it to be

Based

I know this is meant to be a meme, but I've been (over)thinking about it. The Reaper's logic can apply to the (God)Emperor too. You have to believe him being a god, so he can become one.

What a compelling argument from brother Rape-Strangle of the Orphan Slayers Legion

What's worse is if you are willing to let go of the heresy meme for a moment..*CERTAIN PARTS* of Chaotic Philosophy do have an appeal.
The problem is the only time people tend to see Chaos forces, they're either frothing lunatics or Word Bearers.
It's hard to see any part of Chaos as good when all you see is the gibbering hordes of fanatics. Then you have a bit of self-realization of what the Imperium is. Then you realize the only really nice factions are Orks or Tyranids because they don't really seem to have complex ideals.

Death talking to his daughter

Thats basically the whole premise of the Imperial Truth, a lie that tried to become reality.

This is why girls shouldn’t be allowed to fight Chaos. Too easily fooled by big words and vague philosophically. Purge the heretic.

"you need to believe in things that aren't true, how else can they become?"
- Some Ork probably.

Ya know considering the word bearers have the preternatural power to talk anyone into anything. And there's such great supernatural or towards that the entire administrative is the product of one Ward bears dreadnought.

Dannnnng, that sister is falling for sure.

Well met once more liar! You call it fantasy , i call it genetic memory. You say lies , i say you are a liar.
You are the one needing to believe, or else why do it all?
I need no faith to go about securing things from me and mine to live in comfort. The basest animal does as much.
You , You need faith to disrupt my peace, to bring flame and slaughter upon me and mine. You need an excuse. I have no need of faith, no need of fantasies, you are a threat to me and mine . It is enough.

You need fantasies and high ideals. It is you who needs an ideal state of the universe,not me. I am content exploring what is, You need what ought to be, to make your actions seem just to your own self.

Justice mercy? HA ! Your words, not mine. if it not a threat not a resource, i have no reason to destroy it. is that justice and mercy?
I help expecting to be helped in turn, not for some idea or cause. You can not bear it that i am content, because you are empty.
You profess faiths, but you cannot believe in anything, not even your self.
Go away liar, you are tiresome.

Until he started the justice, mercy ... line were he twists the nerrative in his favor to justivie his debotchery. Like that notions have a pysikal existans and a chemical behavior.
Secondly the process he discraibs is done by most, near all, unintentionally.
And lastly he ends it with a set up line for conversion.

this put me to tears.

The scary thing is, this is exactly what a seasoned Word Bearer would do; tell you nothing but facts and truths.

I clicked on this to see something funny but like.......damn.

"With that, we leave your system, little 'sister'. We no longer require your destruction, now that your eyes have begun to open.

Reflect upon what I've said. And look to your life. You have so much more to live for than.... gestures to all the Imperial iconography this."

"It's Khornin' time!" And then he murdered all over the place.

WHERE'S MY CORAX!?

THAT'S NOT MY CORAX, THAT'S A GUILLEMAN!

Terry Pratchett dying was a giant loss to the world

Aᴘᴘʟᴇsᴀᴜᴄᴇ !

This is unironically the best example of Chaos philosophy, and why you can have good in chaotic acts.

I love this quote and scene. It's very nice.

I don't think that's a choas kinda thing to be honest, but it's amazingly done.

The idea of anyone in 40k making a quote "good point" is laughable

Fair point, fair point. Counterpoint: HERESY!!!!

how close that is to actual warhammer 40k is fkn wild yo

GNU Terry Pratchett

This is an underrated movie. Hogfather is on my Christmas movie list.

I watched this and instantly turned to Chaos.

This might be a weird suggestion to make, but do you plan on making a 40k meme with Dreamybull as a Emperor's Children heretic astartes?

Justice and mercy can both be found in death

Not sure how much the Hogfather quote here really fits the Imperium, given how the Imperium is a society rife with superstition. For example, there's implications in the narrative that the catechism that Guardsmen are required to invoke when reloading their lasrifles (in order to appease the weapon's machine spirit) is just the gun's instruction manual.

What's this from?

Also, this reminds me of Nietzche.
"You need to believe in things that arent true, how else can they become?"
I think life does have inherent good and evil, but not quite how we percieve it to.
We give life meaning; we believe in good and evil and compare it to reality. Ereasing and writing on the chalkboard we call civilization for all to read.

Ive heard this before, but its good to hear again.
Especially how you depicted it here.

Makes me think of my Christian faith. I can find morality,philosophy, and righteousness from multiple sources in life.
I think the Bible and its followers are a large source, but not the only one.
Perhaps life is a conversation.
We can take pauses and breaks, even turn away from some trains of thought, but to think is to talk.
To talk is to believe and doubt at the same time, in what you ask and answer.

I don’t think the thralls of the Dark Gods are nihilist materialists lol. They’re fully aware that immaterial objects like the laws of physics, souls, and Nurgle actually exist.

Pterry always knew how to phrase the big questions, and give a decent answer.