The Problem With AVATAR's Pandora that the Films Don't Want to Touch

I do sometimes wonder if moons are the more likely place to find advanced life, and that would make the Earth is truly rare.

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In real life the Na'vi would be much weaker than a human despite being much taller and more imposing.

I'd love to grow some weed in pandora 🫠

I’d be interested in a deep dive of Arrakis from Dune if you’d be willing 😊

Oh nice pandora, lemme just plug in my headphones and I’ll get all the ancient Navi music 😂

Where do the greys, Nordics, reptoid , mantids etc come from 🤔

The planet is just a blue jupiter

Methane and oxygen simultaneously sounds funny

I think pandora were remnants of long lost very advanced civ. U can see rocks formation that is impossible to be formed naturally. Eywa were a Rogue AI that wiped out former civ and create its own ecologically connected world

Is there a gas giant around proxoma centori

The nice thing about Avatar is that James Cameron did his research with it, making a setting that is hard sci-fi and taking place on a location that is plausible. The sheer amount of world building involved to make an alien biosphere that is fully plausible requires a lot of research. Granted, he also made sure to consult actual scientists on it, linguists to help construct the Na'avi language, and a lot of anthropoligical research consulted (and anthropoligists) to construct their society.

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earth is so similar to pandora we just don’t want to connect

The fact that such an amazing world is so scientifically feasible impresses me. And brings me joy 🥹

These movies, and the world building, are asinine and peurile. I.e. a humanoid species whose reproductive organ is attached to the back of their heads. Ridiculous. Not going to watch this as the movie itself, and commentary on it, are not worth my time.

Humans where the good guys all along.

Random question. But Does anyone no where Astrum gets their music? I love it

Dude, its a MOVIE. Relax.....

The atmosphere in the lore annoys me. The gravity is less than Earth (doesn't show it with humans walking around) yet the atmosphere is denser than Earth. That doesn't really make sense, because if the gravity is weaker then the atmosphere would be LESS dense than Earth, as less force pulling down on the air.

The lack of spring in the step of the Navi can be attributed to the extra mass due to their size, but humans would need to be moving much differently. Also, there is no evidence of moving through denser air either by humans..

The mountains being unobtainium (dumb name) doesn't make much narrative sense, because humans would have went right to those first, rather than trying to battle the Navi in their homeland.

While the movie has a number of scientific facts individually, the way they are combined does not make sense.

How come the Navi don't have 6 limbs when the other creatures do?

You forgot about space debris constantly hitting Pandora. Remember it's orbiting Jupiter like planet that is going to be vacuuming in everything around it like Jupiter does. Pandora opening shot should show craters all over the place since it should be hit multiple times over a million years. Any one of them causing a massive burn off on the planet or total Extinction of all animals on the surface.

Great video but I have to cry about the pronunciation of zhangjiajie 😂 it is no where close

they wasnt trying to colonize it, they was trying mineral strip the planet

I find it fascinating that people find fault in a fictional story. Like nothing about it makes sense.....

What is wrong with you LOL

Not to mention the exosolar system with its many planets would be inherently unstable as they all perturb each other, sending Polyphemus either crashing into its sun or ejected from the exosolar system.

One interesting theory I read about concerns the orbital migration of gas giants. This theory was drafted to explain the prevalence of "hot Jupiters" - gas giants that orbit extremely close to the host star, usually in days. These are much closer to the star than even Mercury is to the Sun. The theory posits that unless gas giants are in distant enough orbits, if they form much closer than Jupiter, their orbits will decay due to the greatly increased mutual gravitational attraction. As the planet comes closer, the rate of inward migration increases.

This means that a planet like Polyphemus, as it would exist in the habitable zone of a Sun-like star, would likely be in the process of inward migration on its way to becoming a hot Jupiter. This of course would soon spell the end of life on Pandora. The migration period would be only a few million years at best, which means there isn't much time for complex multicellular life to evolve.

Assuming a kind of Cambrian explosion took place as soon as Polyphemus entered the habitable zone, this could put Pandora in the equivalent of the Devonian period, when life began to proliferate on land. If the crossing of the habitable zone were to take say 250 million years, this would put Pandora's final extinction event at around the equivalent of the Permian, after which the planet and moon would become too hot to sustain life. Pandora would presently be approximately halfway through this transition.

It doesn't actually matter in how many things "Avatar" gets wrong. Because this franchise isn't really fantasy. It's not about science and travel to the stars. It's not about technology. Technology is in the far background, just like in Star Wars.

Main story of "Avarar" is a hero journey. Jake Sully starts as a nobody and becomes Toruk Macto, a Savior of the Na'vi. And then his journey is continued and passed onto his children in the second movie.

It doesn't matter whether Pandora is a planet or a continent in a fictional world. It doesn't matter whether what Na'vi can do is explained via Eywa and the way this ecosystem works or via magic. And it doesn't matter at all whether you call it magic, The Force or Eywa.

What does matter is the tone of the movie.

I mean come on. "Avatar" is all about shamans and the culture of native Americans. You can't do that without magic - even if you never call it this way.

Therefore all arguments about how Pandora doesn't really exist scientifically speaking are dumb. It's not what this movie is about. You can set this particular ecosystem anywhere, even in fantasy world, and literally nothing would change. And we've had anime with a fantasy land where humans can go to via some sort of summoning magic or dimmensional gate as soon as Magic Knight Rayearth and other anime. So this kind of story doesn't have to be all about space travel to work.

I mean very similar thing is in "Gate" anime. Only there modern soldiers who went to a fantasy world and clashed with the natives were JSDF so obviously the Japanese anime would make them the good guys.

Ohhh, the reason it's called Pandora is because of Pandora's box of something being nice but having dangerous and evil (the evil could be the fire tribe)
How did it not dawn on me

Could there theoretically be a world like Pandora out there? We're living it right now mate. It's all interconnected, just like the films.

There isn’t even an attempt at correctly pronouncing ZhangJiaJie

Avatar went wrong when they allowed an 8 year old to write the story...

Avatar 2 felt more like a cartoon/pixar style movie than a heavily modified live action movie. I love the fantasy science aspect, but with this the second movie it went much further into fantasy than in the first. I hope they rein it back in a little in the following films.

Iam so interested for part 3🎉❤

Just stop calling all satellites "Moon"

Let’s go baby girl

this entire time i thought the gas giant was pandora

I can’t remember the name of the creator but I saw a video explaining that the hallelujah mountains are possible because of how the planet was formed. They r filled with unuptainium which are magnetic and react with the negative and positive poles of the planet. The location of the mountains is where the magnetic fields are strongest

It's a moon, not a planet.

avatar is based on Zhangjiajie in china, never heard of it to be based on chung cha cha

Isnt pandora a moon?

You must not consume a lot of fantasy if you think having a lot of thought into the lore of the world is a new phenomenon

Floating mountains is realistic, because it's awesome.

The notion of a habitable world orbiting a gas giant was explored in depth by Robert Sawyer's 'Quintaglio' books. The fact that the main continent was always pointed away from the gas giant let to a major plot point of what happened when explorers traveled to the far side of the moon for the first time, and discovered this gigantic object in the sky, which became their god.

The only mistake in this movie is bows winning over guns

Pandora is as possible as you waling up with a golden carrot up your ass, weighing in at 5 pounds... Lucky guy!