Rear facing vs forward facing position in the car

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Hi from Italy. Video is interesting but: how do you fix the seat? I've two seats, I've checked, and they can't be fixed in the car with rear facing. Are there different models of seats on the market? If yes, I'm wondering why if it's proved that they are safer.

There are convertible car seats (seats that are made to fit rear facing and forwards) and forward facing only seats. The seats are made both ways because eventually children do get too big to be rear-facing (by weight or height) and should be turned forward facing in the higher weight harnessed seats. Seats are now made to rear-face up to 40lbs.

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The reason why their are forward facing car seats is because of different recommendations in countries. For example, the American Academy of Pediatrics just changed their recommendations last year from rear facing to 1 year old and 20 lbs, to at least 2 years old. Car seat manufacturers do not care for or love children. They are out to make money and what makes money are forward facing car seats. While in Sweden and Norway, only rear facing car seats are sold.

There are car seats on the market for older children, that go up to 40 lbs on the United States market. The Diono Radian RXT goes up to 45 lbs and I've seen kids fit in them up to 50" tall. And if you are concerned about leg room, then I would have imported the Britax Two Way Elite because the two way has the option of installing away from the vehicle seat, for increased leg room. There is absolutely no excuse for forward facing a child.

I know this is an old comment, however, rear facing car seats actually do not greatly protect frontal crashes, but side impacts. In a study published in Pediatrics, RF in side impacts were about 4 times safer than forward facing in side crashes, while forward facing was only about 1. something times safer. This is because when a child is rear facing, the car is moving forward, and as you are hit from the side, the child's head is pushed into the shell, protecting their head from injury.

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Your child would have to be completely off the charts to not rear face until at least 2 years of age. Her legs being scrunched up is not a problem, it's completely normal. Lots of kids dislike the car seat in general, RF or FF doesn't matter. RF is safer, until the child is AT LEAST 2. (Which is the newest recommendation by the AAP & other professionals.)

Well we just measured her, and she's 2ft11.5inches, and 38lbs, she's also 2 1/2 years old. She's in the 90% of "big kids." compared to "Normal" sized kids I guess.

@biosynthnut she's still small enough to be rear facing in a diono Radian rxt, and a graco size4me 70.

helpful but where the hell is the chest clip in this graphic???

European seats do not use a chest clip. They are designed differently than US seats, and just as safe.

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It has to do with physics. Yes, rear-end collisions are the most common, but in a rear-end both cars are traveling the same direction and are usually lower speed. When they are head-on then it's the speed of both cars compounding on each other. So a 25mph rear-end is basically going to bump the car ahead of them forward making the collision less than 25mph, where a 25mph head-on is going to have the abrupt stop + momentum of the other car, or easily twice the force, making it worse.

On top of this, where we've been rear-ended you end up slamming into someone in front of you also in a domino effect. Since you're already moving forward, the rear-end collision isn't that bad (especially if you release the brake if you can you'll just be pushed forward), but the slamming into the car in front of you and sudden stop is worse, and that is again a frontal collision.

"Frontal and side impacts are the most common type of crashes. They account for 96% of all crashes" Fact check. Check out the cpsafety website article on 'stay rearfacing', I can't put a link here

Very informative! Although I can definitely agree that rear facing is safer, please note that ALL children will eventually outgrow the rear facing limits of their seats which is usually 40lbs for most seats made in the U.S.

good video, but I would like to see the results of this kind of crash where the child's CHEST buckle is at his CHEST like it should be ... this is a huge peeve - SOOOOO many people don't use this part of the child's restraint properly - its always low and loose. ALSO see it with the LATCH system in place. It looks like this example is with the seat belt.

This is a video from Europe. Some of the European countries have banned chest clips because they think that the clips are dangerous, which they are if used incorrectly. But if used properly, it helps keep the straps where they belong. I'm not sure if there is a study to show the benefits/risks either way.

LATCH is just as safe as using the seat belt. Actually, a child or child+car seat can be too heavy to use LATCH, however they can't be too heavy to use the belt. The chest clip is only a prepositioner. If a seat is tested and designed to be used without a chest clip it is just as safe as a seat with a chest clip, in a crash. The lack of a chest clip may help aid with proper use, and it may also help with getting a child quickly out of a vehicle, such as when flooding or fire is a danger

This video was produced in the UK, where they don't use chest clips :)

This PSA shows a good representation by demonstration of how rear facing position childseats really make a difference.

It sure does look that way when you compare the worst case installation of one versus the best case of the other.

Many studies have come out recently explaining why rear-facing car seats are much more safer then front-facing.

Yes, "most", but not all of them. I bet it is possible to buy seats intended for the Scandinavian market also in Ireland, brands such as Axkid, BeSafe and Klippan. Here in Slovakia (where they're only imported in small quantities) these can be bought for about 340 euros. That's a lot compared to the price of FF car seats, but the safety of your children should come first...

Ouch. Another suggestion would be to ask at your nearest Volvo dealer. Volvo has a line of RF car seats that should (unofficially) fit into other cars as well. Try before you buy, of course. In any case, typical infant car seats such as the Maxi-Cosi Pebble (which we have) are designed for babies under 13 kg, i.e. far older than 9 months. If the baby's legs are sticking out (but not its head!), buy a matching base unit to get some extra leg room.

That kid didn't have his chest clip on. . .

Wouldn't a forward facing car seat be better in a rear end collision? I'm always afraid I'm going to get rear-ended. Not to say it would be impossible for me to hit something, I just think there are a lot of idiots on the road, and I wouldn't consider myself one of them. I don't have kids, so I really don't have a good reason to watch this...  

Severe rear-impact crashes account for only 4% of collisions in the US, and even in those instances, there are still some benefits of being rear-facing, including sitting closer to the middle of the car, further away from the impact and crumple zones. It's nearly impossible to fully prepare for every single type of crash, but 96% of the time, rear-facing is substantially safer.

This video gives a helpful animation to demonstrate the effects of rear facing and forwards facing car seats.

I like this video but I wish the straps would be in the correct spot. They should be at or below the shoulders when rear facing.

And the ff seat should have a top anchor. It would also be nice to see a chest clip but I know a lot of overseas seats don't have them.

my child is only 5 1/2 mo old but was 5 wks early so hes still in an infant carrier. I double strap him in with the the latch connected to the base and i also pull the seat belt through the infant seat to make sure hes double protected. Sometimes i just dont trust carseat and base method all that well. I hear the click, but often wonder  if that can fail with all the recalls this day in time. Most recalls are whats already happened to children, and often  too late until it happens to yours.

Well, this guy sounds like he's from England. They drive on the other side, so whatever he says, do the opposite.

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There isn't a chest strap and the straps are to lose on the child.

What about a rear ended impact at the same speed?

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Hi! This is great information! Would it be ok if I use a clip of the crash test footage in a video I am working on to raise awareness about car seat safety in honor of my son who passed away in a car accident?

No way car seats are a pain in the ass as it is! Rear facing until 4 is impossible for my family no way in hell im climbing into the back to unbuckle and buckle my child every time.

Warning!!! This is a long post, but I would like to get this message out. If you want to skip this, at least read the last paragraph.

I have read a good number of responses to this video and many videos like it. This is a perfect example of a video swaying a person to support their cause without the individual further researching it. So let me bring some light, if that is possible, to all of you.

Take a note at the title, "Rear facing vs forward facing position in the car." Then look at the video and, true, the video is very convincing and very correct. However, in any test, scientific, written, or verbal, or even life, there is always that variable you have to account for. In this case, a vehicle rear ending you while a child seat is facing to the rear.

The video shows what happens when you rear end someone. the Inertia of everything in the vehicle continues forward, thus causing the child to lurch forward, very convincing, and again very true. However, It does not show what happens when the vehicle gets rear ended and the child is facing to the rear.

When a vehicle rear ends you, Inertia, that "wascally wabbit, " causes the everything in the vehicle to go backwards towards the rear. The child in the seat lurches forward, and if the child seat is in position behind either of the front seats it could possibly be even worse. The front seats lurches back, slamming into the child seat adding extra force, tossing the child's head forward and possibly causing even more damage. (this is why they say leave a 2 - 3 inch gap between the child seat and the front seat).

So the questions you should ask yourself is this. How many of your think the likely hood of being rear ended by another is greater than rear ending someone yourself? If you are the type of person that think you will more likely rear end someone rather than being rear ended, you really should not be driving. Also consider that being rear ended doesn't exist without a front end collision.

It's safer to be rear facing if you get in a front in collision. I don't know about everyone else reading this, but I pay attention to the road very intensely. and it is 90% MORE LIKELY THAT SOMEONE REAR ENDS ME. In that case. it would be better for the child seat to be facing forward. You know yourself. If you get in wrecks that are usually your fault by hitting someone else with the front of your car then put it rear facing.

Why until 4 years old? Is it not dangerous after 4?

You dont show the full effect of the rear facing with the recoil and as a result whiplash occurs!!

I'm gonna go with a bubble wrap cot suspended from the roof instead, but thanks