A United States of Europe by 2030 - How would it work?

We need to be inside, not on the outside

Having a laugh at you are they.

Only way how to survive as a Europe. That and keeping migrants out.

EU caused the present tensions and mess in europe. Time for the political section of EU to be abolished.

The European Union is becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. But if it does happen, it will be even more disappointing. The goal is to colonize smaller countries. This is already looming large. If this were not the goal, then cooperative, free trade would be enough. On the other hand, even today, the powerful western member states dictate what the smaller eastern member states are allowed to think.

With the European Union, the countries of the former Soviet sphere fell from bucket to bucket. You can't talk about freedom and equality at all. The union goes so far as to overthrow democratically elected parties and leaders in some member states. For example, in Hungary they have been trying to do this for 12 years. This country is mercilessly blackmailed, rightfully due money is refused to be paid out with all kinds of false reasons.

We say a definite No to the European empire. The European peoples had and still have a very bad experience with empires. We want a strong European Union of strong, sovereign nation-states, but not an inhuman empire.

Like s..t

European countries are already vassals of American policies. No veto rights very democratic as every country has to adhere to the EU.

And why did you left Portugal out of tier 1 ?

No future for colonialists, their raign has expired. People don't matter if they are not of the white race. Remember what has been said that the west is a garden and the rest is a jungle. For sure I see a higher intelligence if I was blind.

It would be very Israeli, many mandated experiments

hahahah USA told you to create Untied States of Europe that they can easier control vast of countries and put them under their thumb.

Federal eu means in lame terms that the Big states will get more power and smaller states (central/east ones the most) will be just their economic slaves

Hope not, Britain should stay Britain.

cool beans

A United States of Europe is bad idea for every independent country in eu.

That' desperately what we need in Europe.

Canada is more of a confederate under your definition. Fiscal policy and internal security are largely controlled by the provinces, because the federal government always follow the provincial leader’s will in these areas. The only policies made centrally are the monetary policy, foreign policy, and the military.

Zionists want to make second USA, but people want their freedom

I don't think that's plausible or desireable.
Problem with such system is that you would have to get people to agree to suffer for good of EU. To make a lot of concessions. And while for countries with similar development and environment it might not be a problem - EU member states are very diverse. Some countries would see massive additional burden that they currently don't have, like migration from africa & middle east. If it was federation model - EU could simply settle them let's say... in Poland, with no right of local people to prevent it in any way. Knowing how Poland is - it would end up in massive public outcry and potentially - requiring EU army to suppress it. That kinda ends up as slippery slope to considering such government as occupation authority instead of common homeland. And it's not the only such issue. These would multiply. And eventually EU would not be like United States but closer to Soviet Union, aka prison of nations.

It would be wonderful.
I'm from Balkans, and if there will be a federal institution to crack on the national corruption it will be a wet dream for all of the Balkan Population. Literally, every European commissioned project, being a bridge, a highway, a farm, a shop, whatever, is approved only and only if some local ex communist mobster that is now a mayor or a senator gets something out of it, otherwise is rejected.

just say macron😭

I say NO, to EUSSR

Why exclude Portugal, Poland, and Nordic countries from the Tier 1 federation you purpose?

I can't even look at this thumbnail

In the US, the taxes are even more localized depending where you are. Besides federal and state taxes, some states also have a county income tax and other states have a city income tax. Some states don't have a state income tax at all but make up for that with higher fees, for example, driver's license and license plate renewals.

No love for 🇨🇾

It will never happen, for a few simple reasons. Countries, culture, economic models, and traditions are totally different. If Germany, Austria and Switzeland are totally different culturally, how do you want to merge Slavic countries, Baltic, and Mediterranean?

Did anyone even ask EU citizen if they want to be a part of a superstate? Yes, and it was firmly rejected. Now, this centralisation begins without peoples' consent. Policies now in play, accepted by the EU Parliament are those of a centralised government, not a federal one. This means, that a franco-german duo will easily outvote other members in anything they want. This, long term will be a disaster. Proof is in the pudding. German and French appeasement policies towards russia have led to invasion of Ukraine. Germany has never cared about safety of eastern EU members, Nord Stream pipelines are a prime example. Did they learn from these mistakes? No! We are being pushed into more of the same.
EU was founded as a trade block and it should stay this way. Why would we want to be puppets in the hands of the FR-DE duo trying to play world powers again?

Europe is not like the United States. There is a more nationalistic view of countries here. There isn't such things as Europeans. More like Romanians, Bulgarians, Hungarians or Belgians(tho I'm doubting Belgians seem very nationalistic)

Ja !

It will not work

I like the idea of multi-tier model very much! I don't believe in a "one size fits all" EU. We have on one side the federalists, who wants to drag everyone into a federation, and on the other hand us who preferred the four freedoms and the security dimension. The union is gonna rip apart in the middle if this continues, we will se more _exits.

The United States of Europa, sounds nice.

EU wide common army is basically nato

how about a eu rferendum, penal laws and labor code? without those 3, the other 3 are irrelevant.

start by holding a referendum and let the people have their say about the so called United States of Europe. ask the polish if they want to go and fight in a french war? or a Portuguese one, or a spanish one... and so forth...

no referendum, no US of Europe. just that simple.

The EU is just a gathering of interests and the powerful set the rules

28 MEP on a transnational list has been decided in the European Parliament, against the desires of a large part of it, and it will, thankfully, never come to be. Dead in the water at the Council. Any smaller country with two bits of brain will veto it because obviously the 28 will still go defend the national interests and will end up coming from the bigger countries. Also, unless you want 28 MEPs who are football players or the like, I don’t know where you’ll find someone that can be recognised Europe wide to be voted in.
It’s a dumb a f idea

I like that flag

The Holy Kingdom of Europe ⚜️

I would kill myself if we going unionized with the eu. Dont want those bankers sending me to some shithole to die for our jewish overlords!

That Federal Eu flag is HORRIBLE

The European Union in its current form is cooked. A number of countries want out asap and if allowed it would severely damage the union.

Be careful. Confederacies don't always peacefully become federations. I can easily see this tier system collapsing and leading to another major European war.

I think a European union with the old duchies instead of the current countries as states whould lead to the best outcome.
more power on the second-smallest scale, no power on the artificial construct scale, and more power to the collective scale.
Not sure if there is data on governing a federation with this many states.

USE will not be permitted by Russia. They will invade.

There is one problem with federation model. Federation as USA or Germany are build from one same nation. EU have a many nations.

as a citizen - where would you like to live in Switzerland or France?
I think a centralized organization is not better, it is not faster, does not make better decisions (actually dictatorships would not be possible in Confederation such as Switzerland !)

Centralized Europe is a trap.
Switzerland is a benchmark !!

Biggest obstacle I see for getting further integration actually ACCEPTED by the populace, and thus future-proof, is the language. As long as people don't start speaking the same language, the cultural differences can be very effectively emphasized by populists.
I believe this is the root of the problem why Belgium still can't function properly as a state.
The US didn't really have this problem.