He Built a No Code SaaS Over $1M / Year, Here’s How...

Solid interview. Concise answers, organized questions. Glad this become a 1 hour podcast.

This video is awesome, may I ask what's the app used for recording this remote video? thanks!

This works because there are still man made operations. A full fledged SaaS with only code being the deliverable (say a fitness app) would have way more problems using no code due to customizations and deep specifications. Nocode is on the right direction though and is great

As a SWE I actually embrace no code as a tool. Let’s face it most apps devs are working on out there are simple crud apps at the technical level with some business logic and edge cases. It’s also not at MAANG scale either. So from a business perspective I think most apps can be done with no code. Most people just need a process automated and not a technical revolution that customer code would allow. I definitely see it as a killer for internal tools in small businesses like.

One comment I have about the FE devs you had trouble with. That was definitely a technical leadership problem. The app also doesn’t seem to be complex enough to need five years of development. But I’m sure no code was much cheaper.

If your startup is not complicated tech dont go for complicated tech.

Any good tech founder can tell you “just use wordpress” or go for “bubble + zapier” if theyve actually built things.

You encourage saas founders to look at no code platforms, yet discourage founders from lower ACV saas products

The difference with using Sales force as an Erp is not the core product you selling. If you were building and selling an Erp or salesforce your investor will want you to own it.

Your guest is very wrong as to the lock in. No.code means just that your app has no code and neither do you.. you have habe no asset

Excellent Interview!

Lots of wild statements, some misconceptions, but some good points and clearly it can work! Clearly burned by some misaligned or perfectionist Frontend developers. This is likely the difference between having a technical leader as a founder vs not.

I will automatically dislike your video anytime I see you posting after saying B2C SaaS is impossible. Lol joke

Just wait until you hit performance issues, continual price increases, and realize that you're locked into the platform with Bubble.

I love the content of this channel, no long intro what so ever and straight to the point. LOVE IT and THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

Nice interview but the guy is talking some crazy stuff. Using github libs etc is not anything like no code. While I believe no code has its place, it doesn't give much of a moat to competitors and also is impossible to leave bubble etc while taking your code with you.

I've been writing software since 1976 and I've seen all of the trends. The no code approach is great ... until it isn't. The problem with is that you are stuck with the limitations - and bugs - in the WYSIWIG code generators. This is why so product engineering companies have a not invented here ("NIH") approach to development. They've been burned by vendors who fail to address major bugs across multiple versions, get acquired and the platform your code is built on is discontinued, or go out of business.

Rolling out an early version on a no code or low code platform is fine, but as your business grows you will need control over the software that is key to your revenue stream.

FYI - If your developers are pulling open source code from GitHub or another source and you aren't paying the license fee(s), then you are violating copyright laws and should plan on being sued when the original developer(s) detect the unlicensed use. Open source does not mean the libraries are free to use.

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Hired mediocre developers for a good price. They did a crappy job as most devs do. Blames it on the code.

Well, their business is primarily non-tech and for most non-tech businesses I think we can make the case that No code is now the better approach. Coding only makes sense when you have incredibly complex product with a lot of use cases and tech-intensive features. I see a lot more No code businesses becoming hugely successful in the future. But let's say if there's a social media built on code and a social media built on no-code I'd always bet on the code one because it'll be more optimized and the developers will have the freedom to not be limited by a no code platform.

Devs dont wanna hear this but - The buyer at a business doesnt give a fuck if ur backend is in golang, he/she just wants software that works. If its bubble or the newest version of react, it doesnt matter as long as it solves his/her problem.

I run a bubble dev agency for a couple of years and delivered amazing fully working apps for under $10k. I personally don’t like bubble much, but there are many devs who know it well.

Finally someone on here who knows the power of bubble

The arrogance (and balls) to charge for a ticket to this conference man lol. Damn.

Loom?? lmao

This is pretty hilarious. I mean you can use no code tools like this to develop an early prototype to attract investors. But building a business around this is insane. You basically become trapped by this no code provider. They can and will change pricing drastically in the future and you can't move away from them. And they might close their service at any time and then you are left with nothing. This happens even to the no code offerings of the largest companies in the world. Amazon AWS had a no code offering called Honeycode. And it was canceled just recently and everybody who built their business on that has lost all their work.

Furthermore, if your developers are taking years to develop login and basic features like that - you have a huge problem.

And you built a custom project management system? Good lord.

To me it just sounds like an inability to manage the development team.

If your development team is not developing features, and apparently switching to loads of different frameworks, then your problem is the technical leadership, not the developers themselves (although you'd expect the developers to have some common sense).

However, after a bit of research, it appears that the only FE dev I could find that worked there was only 6 months worth of experience when they joined.

As an example, Just loading the 'reviews' page takes upwards of 14 seconds to load and uses jQuery? What year is it? I think the issue was the junior devs, not devs in general.

Furthermore, I can't see any actual CTO in the business, so I'd assume a tech co-founder would've solved these issues.

As someone who has worked witha lot of Saas. Their technical leadership was definitely at fault. Also, their startup doesn't sound very technically challenging maybe that's why No Code worked for them. The end comparison between no code and salesforce is super weird. IMO

If he looks and talks like a Chad - he's a Chad!

great info!

everyone who remembers Dreamweaver wysiwyg deserves 6-number ARR SaaS

Great to see this use case for bubble. Iv use it for an MVP and it worked our great.

Im unsure if Id stick with it forever though. If I remember correctly bubbles pricing structure changed last year and caused a lot of issues for their community.

Like everyone else here, I immediately sensed that he had a problem with his technical cofounder or some of his engineering staff. Suspicion confirmed. Honestly for what he's doing, the no code stack is probably good enough.

Memorable interview. Everything about this discussion feels rock solid.

Saying that using Bubble is comparable to large companies using Salesforce is a wild statement