Moog Subsequent 25 VS Sub 37 Real World Comparison; Let's Talk

These are not the same sound engines. The 25 scales differently and gets very aggressive quickly.

One should not buy one and expect it to sound like the other.

"House of Mogh" Star Trek reference at the end? I never knew Moog was a Klingon synth company 😆

Great video! Thank u.

Does the Sub-37 sound wildly different than the Sub-25 (esp. because of its Multi-Drive and different filter slope selections)? I already have a Sub-25, so I am doing my very best to be reasonable and not also get the Sub-37. But, likely similar to your experience, there is something in the Sub-37 that is teasing me to be... not reasonable. 😆

Better show the synthesizers, your face isn't what matters.
In a lecture, only the spoken word counts,
the room would be better dark black.
Grimaces are just a distraction.

The best (for your wallet) is none of these.

What's the software for? Is it usable like a plugin in a daw without the hardware?

Very interesting and effective approach to an incredibly difficult comparison. Bravo ! Thank you.

Yeah. And now they almost doubled in price.

Can't decide on either Sub 37 or Pro 3, so your fab video is fascinating. I'm looking for a mono synth to cover analog bass & leads. I usually sequence externally, so onboard sequencer not a game changer. From your video on the Pro 3, seems you feel the Pro 3 is more bang for buck but in your opinion can it handle bass like the sub 37?

I find simplicity extremely inspiring, and the 25 just looks visually cleaner. i sort of wish the sub25 has aftertouch and sequencing, because the other stuff i dont really care to deeply about.

Are your "Digi" boxes on a dual monitor vesa mount?

today, the Sub 25 costs as much as a brand new Sub 37 a few years ago. the Sub 37's price in turn went up in about the price range of a Sequencial Rev2. i already would own a 37, if moog would have supplied the music stores, but the supplies always delayed, this went on for months and still goes on, even when the higher price is already known. now i have no longer interest in a Subsequent 37 and in the Sub 25 not in the slightest. i h8 Moog a little for that. even the DFAM that was considered a little too expensive after the release now costs over 800 bucks, which is beyond crazy. but i already own one, for which i paid around 500 Euros 2 years ago.

So far my sub 25 has made a beautiful decoration, hard to capture that pretty thick sound on digital 😞

I love the sound of the Little phatty but I've heard that it has issues staying in tune. I just want to use it for bass and occasionally lead sounds. Is the Sub 37 a good option instead? Can I get the same sounds out of it?

thank you! watching the video a few days before I buy a Sub25... Been using a borrowed Sub37 and would prefer to buy one but financial reasons the Sub25 it is. Mostly using it for killer basslines!

Honestly, I bought sub 25 and expected that it would be a bit limiting as only synth, it turned out way better than I expected. Front panel contains most things you need and you can do init patches with hidden parameters enabled. Lack of sequencer is easily bypassed by Korg SQ-1(even more awesome that sub 25 has cv ins) in my case and for effects I just hook it up to my guitar pedalboard! Sub 25 feels a lot like a guitar in some sense, kinda familiar feel where you can't do much without external gear but with it only gets better. Wish people were appreciating subsequent 25 more, it's a great synth.

If you only need one standalone Moog.... Subsequent 37! Their other offerings (except Moog One) seem to be designed as an expandable ecosystem of sorts...

Really enjoyable and informative video, but one nit pick is that the title uses 'Sub 37' whilst the description uses the term 'Subsequent 37'. Then in the video you're talking about the Sub 25 and Sub 37 but the video of the front panels of the synths suggest that you're playing with the Subsequent 25 and the Subsequent 37. This confusion might all be my misunderstanding, which is that the Subsequent 37 Synth replaced the earlier Sub 37 so they're two different synths, and probably have different features. Then from an online search there's a 'Tribute Edition'

So from this video I'm wondering is the Sub 37 better then the Subsequent 37 so it's worth some patience on Reverb to wait for an older Sub 37 rather then the Subsequent 37. More research required. What was wrong with adding Mk-II the the name? All this is possibly my misunderstanding, thanks for the great video. I think it tells me I want a 37, but which 37? Sub, Subsequent or Tribute.

why do people buy this stuff? they dont sound nearly as good as the cheapest vintage Moog. They sound identical to any soft synth. If you like knobs, buy a midi controller and you are set.

I actually don't get sub37/grandmother...one is almost as expensive as polybrute and still is paraphonic ( polybrute is ofcourse better) and the other doesn't save patches (how is that a good thing?)..I ve got a sub25, MPC One does the proper sequencing and proper arp ...deep Mind does the pads...for live stuff , we usually take a Korg pax4 pro which in my opinion is more versatile than any of these synths and has many many times saved us when some other gears fail ...anyway consider this for the price of a sub37, you can buy a sub25 and a Mpc one and that is a killer combo

Sorry if I am honest, but just too much talking and zero action make a bad review.

Fantastic and when you have both it is just a joy.

Lol WAP, Warm Analog Premium

I had a sub37 back when the first came out, sold it a year later... missed it (except for a couple of issues) saw they had been fixed in the subsequent 37 so rebought that! Good to have it back, essentially the same great synth with some refinements and a better keybed, it sits above my Prophet 10 rev 4 as my mono/poly killer combo!

Have a Sub 25 on the way and considered all the pros and cons of it with your videos. Thanks for all the info! And random question, what’s the stand the Digitakt and Digitone are on?

I think I'm going for the 25, mostly because I'm a bass player looking for something in the same vein as the Sub Phatty etc, and the Sub 25 seems to have everything I need !
For the price of the 37, I'd rather get myself a polysynth of some kind.

Fantastic review 👏 the 37 is worth going that extra mile for, even if its secondhand.

You're a beauty buddy!

Nice video and very nice opinions! I have a question, is it ridiculous to buy a sub25 when I have Sub37😥Cause I love it’s simplicity and size. I often get lost in Sub37 because it’s too complicated.

Great videos!

Very clear and comprehensive conclusions. Good job thanks

you can use sub 25 duophonicaly over midi?

Thank ya! great video.. I wish the would be a desktop version of Sub25, without the keys. Or better with 3 OSC's ;-).

Him : Sub 25 or Sub 37 - choose....
Me : Little Phatty Stage II

I bought the Sub 25, I was thinking about the 37 but i ended up getting the Korg Prologue 16 to go with the Sub 25 because I wanted something that was truly polyphonic. At some point I may get the 37 but the 25 has been perfect so far, I’m not a big fan of all the hidden parameters but I use it connected to my MacBook Pro and can access all the hidden controls from the editor software, and tbh I rarely reach for it, all the main controls are on the Sub 25

You have a Matriarch. I have a Grandmother, totally studio-based. I'd like a 37 but struggle to convince myself that it would offer much more over the Grandmother. What's your opinion on that?

Brilliant Video! I ended up choosing a Sub 25 over Sub 37. I love my Sub 25. But its not Sub 37. Lol

Thanks for the great insights! Can you please do a sound compairison? Or isnt there a difference in sound besides the limited features of the sub25? Im trying to find out if the sub25 is capeble of what the minitaur can do sonicly, since the sub37 in compairison, is a less earth shaking.

Poorman’s Bo Beats. I like it.

Wowww, Poly D, Behringer Model d, Sub 25, Sub 37 and subsequent 37. Sheeshhhhh

Can’t wait for that op-1 vs deluge video! 🙏

Bro you’re American bo beats! I love it!

Spit out coffe @:58

Missing your videos, my friend - hoping for Deluge and Polybrute ones...

Just ordered the sub 25 from Sweetwater
I already have the Korg wavestation A/D and the Wavestate and Volca keys
A yamaha SY35 and the Dgx 230
Behringer Deepmind 12 and Behr Odyssey
And a Roland D05, a stylophone and the wavestate VST on my laptop
No daw
I wanted the 37 in a bad way it just isn't in the budget
This will be my third Moog in my life
Forty years ago i got the Radio Shack MG1 which as you know was Moog made
Then16 years ago i got the Moog theremin
And now the sub 25
I am thoroughly jazzed.
Cool videos brother
Play On
( Edited because of fat fingers)

Do you think either one would compliment a Pro 3? Or do you think I'm well covered with the pro 3 alone.

Thank you for digging deeper in your pockets for the community! FOMO is real and it’s particularly real for me being a family man and having a tighter budget nowadays. I can’t afford to make upgrading to the latest and greatest a habit and prefer to buy the “best” one for me the first time around. So thanks for covering these two synths. 🤔 I thought I subscribed after your last video but it’s official now. 👍🏾

"I have a very small Peepee, and I tend to overcompensate by buying expensive synths..." Hilarious!!! Made my day! People take themselves too serious these days, thus killing the fun. Luckily, you're not one of them.

Reg. the subs... I believe your new Polybrute will smash 'em both against the wall sound wise and sound tweaking capability wise. Question here again is - how much gear does one truly need and when is it time to admit that some of the gear in ones' studio is outperforming / "redundanising" each other with the ultimate consequence of letting go of stuff??? Big problem for me as well and I guess for many musicians as it is just too easy to get gassed up on things we don't really need.

Please don't forget your fans while moving ;o>

Love and light from Khao Lak <3

"House of Moog"...did Lt. Worf open this channel?