Don't Drop The Slide On An Empty Chamber!! - Avoid Gun Abuse! - Critical Mas Ep 76

If your gun can’t take that you need a different gun

My main takeaway was do not buy a Wilson 1911. If the gun will not handle this action/abuse on a regular basis then it has issues that require me to pass. I own several manufacturers of 1911 models but I am so past the hero worship of these guns. I have a Beretta 92 PS, that has well over 80,000 rounds put through it with over 12 years of daily wear and tear for on duty service. The gun is / was taken care of but was used hard and still functions like a new one! I now have used series of Glocks over the past 15 years and not a single issue from any of them.

I've been watching some videos, enjoying the content, and a question has been formulating in the back of my mind. What caliber would you recommend? I ask because I've thought yes you want a clear background in between you and the target, but live isn't perfect conditions what if there was something or even worse someone behind the target? Could I customize my carry so I could stop the threat but not harm those who otherwise may also fall victim? I hope the question makes sense thanks for the info and content.

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What about center fired pistols or hammerless

I would agree it's not a good idea on a 1911 but as far as all of my Sig p220 series with spring-loaded extractors I'm not concerned I will drop the slide on a round already in the chamber.

"Dont drop the slide on an empty chamber"
drops slide 40 times out of pure spite

This is my favorite program. I try to never miss a shot

He's saying don't do it on a Wilson Combat. Get a Colt, they are all built to withstand bullshit. G.I. 1911s are not sloppy either this guy is full of shit. Those tolerances are neither loose, 'nor tight they are where they need to be. Why? I've seen videos of unrestored, yet maintained WW1, and WW2 1911s who've seen better days be test fired and you'll be surprised that they still function as they did when they came off the assembly line. J.M.B. designed his pistol for one sole purpose and it wasn't meant to be a finnicky race gun that these 1911 gunsmith gurus and aficionados made them out to be for the last 40 years. I've been dropping the slide on my vintage Series 70 for three months. She still extracts, ejects, locks up tight, and shoots better than I do. The trigger and all of it's inner workings also functions flawlessly. I inspect my pistol each time I take it apart, and there has been no evidence of any damage present whatsoever. My next 1911 will be an Argentine Sistema Model 1927 hopefully soon. If this is the failing point of a $2,000 and above handgun then I'm afraid there is no sense in dropping that kind of money if it cannot do it was originally meant to do without breaking. You have no business owning a 1911 if you wince at someone who drops the slide. You might as well not even shoot it since it contains an extremely violent combustion.

Moral of the story. Very expensive 1911s like Wilson Combat are fragile compared to the 1911s that were actually used when it was the standard issue sidearm. So don’t waste your money.
I’ll never forget the first time I read through a nighthawk custom owner’s manual and saw the list of all the things you couldn’t do with pistol.

mike ehrmantraut dropping some knowledge

What about semi-auto pistols that don't have a slide stop or that don't lock back on the last round? Are those pistols self destructing because they don't have the ability to stop the slide from slamming home on an empty chamber after the last round was fired? Does this theory only apply to pistols, or does it apply to semi-auto rifles and shotguns as well? If so, every gunsmith in America must be overwhelmed with all the self destructing Ruger 10/22's out there since they don't lock back on last round and slam home on an empty chamber. Not trying to argue the point made in the video or say it has no relevance. It just seems that everyone that speaks about this subject just wants to validate their theory by saying they know best because they've been shooting guns since they were invented, or the notorious "I know more about guns because I was in the military", and let's not forget the name dropping and saying that a professional shooter said so, so we must take it as gospel. As another commenter already pointed out, the only way to settle this debate is for someone to take a couple brand new guns and do a couple thousand slide drops on one and a couple thousand rounds of firing on each and then do a tear down and do a comparison of wear on the two. Not sure if that would be the best scientific method, but it was one that I happened to think of. I would be more inclined to believe this theory if there was documented proof of it rather than listening to someone say we should believe them because they know more and their friends know more than we do. For example, If I always wanted to just take someone's word for everything and never question anything, I'd just watch CNN or MSNBC.

Thank you.

would be interesting to see the number of thumbs down on this; comments sound about evenly split

All this video tells me is how inferior a 1911 is to any other semi-auto.

'drop teh slide on an empty chamber' is done after every stage of every match of every sport i've ever participated in. This is the first i'm hearing this. Never known anyone to have an issue...sure, it may wear out but it's gonna wear out anyway.

Yes, the slamming of the slid when it loads the next round after the explosion when it's fired is much softer...

Anyway, releasing a slid on an empty chamber will not hurt it. If your pistol ever malfunctions, it will not be due to releasing the slide lock.

1911's are old. I don't own one and probably never will, so I'm not too worried about releasing the slide on it without a round being in there.

This sounds like a nitpick/gripe more than something that's evidence-based. I could be wrong but I'd like some evidence as to how these tiny issues that seem to me would only happen ever once in a while would do anything that is created to cycle through a large amount of repeated motions.

When loading a single shot directly in the chamber I ease it shut specifically because I've seen firsthand an extractor broken from what Massad was illustrating. It was a gorgeous 1911 that only had a few hundred rounds through it but the guy who owned it was constantly dropping the slide on an empty chamber or a hand-loaded chamber. I've seen a Glock 17 go full auto from the same treatment. Massad is 100% on point here.

This video tells me to never buy a WC.

There's absolutely no real reason to do this... the only reason to let the slide slam forward is when you slap a new mag in and want to keep shooting period... end of story!

No one drop the slide several times for consecutive times. If somebody drops the slide once in a while it WON'T break the pistol. Nope, it's NOT gun abuse. Yes, you can drop the slide once in a whilep; it WON'T do any harm.

wow i was going get a wilson combat until saw this video, i dont baby my gun, i use and abuse it and it better still function.

Well said, Mas! I have had an aversion to mechanically abusing anything for most of my adult life. Just like an air compressor that short cycles (starts back up minutes after shutdown). If the pressure switch that facilitates the cycle cannot be dialed in to accommodate a longer rest time, leave the damn thing running the while. Dragging a metal cutting file on the back stroke. Lift it on the return stroke as it is designed to cut only on the forward stroke. Etc, Etc, Etc. Thank you for sharing.

Never use the SLIDE LOCK as a slide release. Always grab the top rail and pull it to the rear and let it function. I have seen a failure to feed from dropping the slide with the slide lock. It's just a very bad habit and you should not do it. Not to mention under stress you are trying to function the micro points on the firearm with a micro part of a finger. Room for error under a stressful situation like being shot at.

this happens all the time one person will say something about a practice that has been done a million times and every gun channels will pick it up and run with it. truth: if you take your grampa's government issued wwll 45 that the slide has been dropped thousands of times on a MT chamber and do it a thousand times more nothing will be hurt. now if you take that custom made handbuilt trick out race 1911 you paid 6 or 8 thousand for you are asking for a problem.

The online scene is truly a mess. Here we have representation of legit quality firearms manufacturers--with decades of firearm experience, who see and have seen a lot of broken guns--giving out sage advice (i.e., there is no law that stipulates you must do as they say) and immediately the "well, I've never experienced that" or "I demand to see exhaustive metallurgical analysis followed up by several years of scientific studies dedicated to the dynamics of firearm construction, maintenance, and use before I'll believe this one-off tall tale" comments start flying as naysayers busily start typing away with all their "yeah buts" and "what abouts."

It's good to be skeptical of so called experts--especially when they are propped up by the media or, worse yet, the government. But, really, give it a rest. Ayoob, Hackathorn, and Wilson are on a different level in terms of real world experience and verifiable accuracy as to what they say.

But, as already stated, this is "advice." Follow it or don't follow it--it's your choice. But you might be some day ruefully recalling this advice as you are standing at the counter of your local gun smith because you didn't listen and heed.

I have a "POS" 250$ Taurus 709 Slim that I've dropped the slide on thousands of times, I've put thousands of 9mm rounds through it. It takes down like a glock but has many "1911 features" like the shitty aggressive feed ramp and a manual 'thumb saftey'

It's literally just a Taurus, and it's still working fine after all that abuse. If a fuckin 709 Slim can handle it, then most guns will be okay.

If it wasn’t good for the firearm it wouldn’t be included as a feature, no matter the state of the gun being loaded or not. Real fudd lore right here.

Good to know! thanks. I never knew, i wont do it again

1911 and 2011, how about using the slide release vs manually racking the slide to do loads or reloading?

Never heard so much 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 in one Vidya, god damn ol son need to go to sleep. This aint the 1800s anymore. You can slap a gun or an ak and she wont complain or fall apart

@gowilsoncombat Okay boomers.
A gun is a tool. Tools get used and abused. Tools break due to wear and tear from use and aduse. If a tool breaks, it gets repaired or replaced as needed. That is the nature of a tool. That is the nature of a firearm.

Either this gun is a softie and made to be military grade(just barely passing requirements with lowest quality) or just badly designed.
Properly made guns don't get damaged by this.

Personally, I own a P-09 and its manual says about unloading, and i quote:
"-Let the slide snap fully forward
-Depress the trigger (Dry fire)"

If you want to be gentle with your guns, sure. Don't do it, but it is not abuse.
Dropping a slide on chambered round though, IS abuse.

Gun abuse supports your gun smith.

Just saw the video. Was about to get one of those dry fire apps that’s being peddled. Not sure what to do. Wish I had more evidence.

If dropping the slide with an empty chamber damages your pistol, your pistol sucks. Fudd lord is wrong

I was an armourer in the British Military. Doctrine was to dry fire Browning HiPoints, Sigs and now Glocks. I don’t remember anyone having to repair broken weapons due to dry firing. If it was such an issue, we wouldn’t have done it. Tbf it might just be the 1911 but I have very limited experience on it.

Normally I'm with you on everything man, but this really reduces credibility. Credibility for the channel and credibility for the gun manufacturer that makes a firearm that can't handle its own action. The guns made to handle explosion and recoil but it cannot handle a empty chamber. Not going to buy that gun

Low quality gun

Tell that to the salesman at Bass Pro in Northern CA. The first thing he did was pull the slide back and drop it. I understand the safety check, but to me it's almost as bad as a dry fire.

If the tool I'm supposed to be able to use to protect myself and my family can't handle the slide being dropped 100 times without it causing problems, then it isn't going to be able to handle firing 100 rounds through it.... And NO-ONE should EVER trust their lives to it!!!
I thought Wilson Combat was supposed to be good quality and reliable. Now I know they are CHEAP JUNK!
Thank you for the information - I'll be spending my money on something that can handle being fired.

Did you hear him people don't be killing those little kittens they're too cute.

I did not know that it was not advisable to drop a round in from the top. Now I know as much as a 12 year old boy. There’s always something to learn.

Huh, never heard this advice before but glad I did. Will be keeping this in mind in future.

THAT BULLET LANDED ON IT'S TIP WHEN HE CLEANED IT WOW 🤯 (i know they're HP but either way lol)

...on a gun made by Wilson Combat". Feel free to do it on a Glock, proper guns can handle it.

The Ruger LCP (not LCP II) has no last round hold open. It slams shut on an empty chamber every time you fire the last round in the magazine.

I do what I want