Was Macedonian a Greek Dialect?

Was Macedonian a Greek Dialect?

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Boris Hume
Boris Hume - 17.09.2023 23:28

Ancient Macedonia had a mixed Illyrian-Phrygian-Thracian-Greek population. The significant Bulgarian Balkanist Vladimir Georgiev considers ancient Macedonian to be a separate language, different from Greek an Thracian. In the 3rd or 4th Millennium B.C. Greek, Macedonian and Thracian formed one common group which split in three different languages. Beginning with 500 B.C., Macedonian was hellenised and finally totally disappeared. Hence, Alexander probably spoke with his Macedonian soldiers Macedonian, not Greek.

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LamastuTON
LamastuTON - 16.09.2023 20:46

It seems that you Americans except only the history who benefits you. Demosthenes was a lazy charlatan who never worked on his life. When Demosthenes tried to blame the Athenians general Fokaion if is really loyal to democracy. Fokaion as a real wise general humiliated Demosthenes telling him that he protected democracy with his like and not just benefited by democracy by taking money from others and never fought for his believes like Demosthenes. Demosthenes was a coward dirty politician who was caring only for his benefit and not the benefit of Athens.
Fokaion who you don't know who is but you know Demosthenes, is the generate who defeat 2 times Philip of Macedon. Even as enemies the two men was admiring each other and was speaking with respect. But duty is duty.
So Fokaion one of the most famous generals of ancient Greek world is not known to you, but you know Demosthenes and you make a ethnic deal about the opinion of a singe man among millions.
That was Demosthenes, a thief.
Now Athenians was splitting from the it Hellenic identity. They was present themselves as Ionians and not as Hellenes (Greeks) anymore. Even today the people of middle East, Indians and Iranians call Greeks Yunan-Yauna (Ionians) from the misunderstanding of Athenians. But Philip united all the Greeks and was the true liberator both with his son Alexander who became the greatest Greek ever.
The ideas of Demosthenes was to slaves to Persians.
It looks you Americans you believe in wrong things. Alexander brought the unity, Demosthenes wanted to split Greeks. Fokaion was the real leader of Athenians people and the voice of Athens. You see the tree and you miss the forest.

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the gee kay
the gee kay - 16.09.2023 12:38

Alexander the Great spoke Greek because he was Greek, find something debatable, thats an easy question.

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Tim Liang
Tim Liang - 16.09.2023 01:35

Alex the great spoke Greek dialect,but he is some species of eastern Slavic

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Billy
Billy - 15.09.2023 11:59

ALEXANDER THE GREAT AND THE MACEDONIANS WERE NOT GREEK NOR DID THEY FOLLOW ANY GREEK POLITICS OR AGENDAS. THEY SIMPLY CONQUERED AND CONTROLLED GREECE THE SAME AS THEY DID TO PERSIA BUT FOR SOME VERY WIERD REASON PERSIANS DONT CLAIM THEM AS PERSIAN BUT GREEKS CLAIM THE SAME PEOPLE THAT KILLED AND ENSLAVED THEIR OWN PEOPLE AS GREEK THE IRONY 😂

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Sn00piedog2020
Sn00piedog2020 - 15.09.2023 08:26

One thing we can all agree is that his name wasnt Alexandrovich Megaski 😂😂 just joking guys.

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Konstantinos Papakonstantinou
Konstantinos Papakonstantinou - 14.09.2023 16:38

Was Macedonian a Greek dialect?
Does the sun raise from the east?

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uTube
uTube - 13.09.2023 23:23

Well, let me clear things up for you my friend...

Greek dialects and the pronounciation of the everyday spoken language from region to region, differs so much, even to this day, that making fun of ones pronounciation due to their region of origin is something we do since the dawn of History. And it is a practice very dominant in the Attica region.

We Greeks have a particular sense of humor. And if you want to use modern terminology, we are totally "Politically Incorrect".
For example: We call each other "Malaka", which means "Masturbator" in all informal conversations. 😜
If you are an overwheight friend, we''ll address you as "Re malaka chondrE!" (Hey, fat masturbator!). Psychologically, it's the healthiest thing you can do, even if it seams like the exact opposite.
In your case we would say: "Re malaka karaflE!" (Hey, bald masturbator!").... 😉
In an argument or a fight though, the tone changes completely and the exact same words take up their full disrespectful meaning...

Keeping that in mind, and to get back to our main subject, imagine if there are official political disputes between whole regions, like an old-school Greek Kingdom in the North and the Progressive Democracy of Athens...

To give you another contemporary example: Cypriots are and speak Greek. But unless they adjust their pronounciation for us, we have absolutely no idea what the hell they are on about 😆

Hope this puts things into perspective for you.

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Mia Stupid
Mia Stupid - 13.09.2023 22:04

ALEXANDER I, GREAT GRANDFATHER, WAS EMPHATICALLY UNDERSTOOD BY ALL THE GREEKS According to Herodotus, he spoke again to the Athenians in defense of all the Greeks / Hellenes against the Persians:

Athenians, I lay up these words of mine as a trust to you, charging you to keep them secret and tell them to no one except only to Pausanias, lest ye bring me to ruin: for I should not utter them if I did not care greatly for the general safety of Hellas, seeing that I am a Hellene myself by original descent and I should not wish to see Hellas enslaved instead of free. I say then that Mardonius and his army cannot get the offerings to be according to their mind, for otherwise ye would long ago have fought. Now however he has resolved to let the offerings alone and to bring on a battle at dawn of day; for, as I conjecture, he fears lest ye should assemble in greater numbers. Therefore prepare yourselves; and if after all Mardonius should put off the battle and not bring it on, stay where ye are and hold out patiently; for they have provisions only for a few days remaining. And if this way shall have its issue according to your mind, then each one of you ought to remember me also concerning liberation, since I have done for the sake of the Hellenes so hazardous a deed by reason of my zeal for you, desiring to show you the design of Mardonius, in order that the Barbarians may not fall upon you when ye are not as yet expecting them: and I am Alexander the Macedonian. (IX,45)

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SouthSide7
SouthSide7 - 13.09.2023 14:08

I can't believe how brainwashed are the Bulgarians who live I skopje..They make them believe that they are not Bulgarians and they are Macedonians from ancient Macedonians..How ridiculous is that? 😂

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SpartanLeonidas
SpartanLeonidas - 13.09.2023 09:32

ΑΙΩΝΙΑ ΕΛΛΑΣ 🇬🇷🦅✊🏻

Αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν

Αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν
καὶ ὑπείροχον
ἔμμεναι ἄλλων,
μηδὲ γένος πατέρων
αἰσχυνέμεν

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οὐ κλέπτω τὴν νίκην

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ἢ τὰν ἢ ἐπὶ τᾶς - Η ΤΑΝ Η ΕΠΙ ΤΑΣ

Ὦ ξεῖν’, ἀγγέλλειν
Λακεδαιμονίοις
ὅτι τῇδε κείμεθα
τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι
πειθόμενοι

Ἐν τούτῳ νίκα

☧ - ΧΡ

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Νῦν ὑπὲρ πάντων ἀγών

Πόλεμος πάντων μεν πατήρ εστί

εἰ ἀποκρυπτόντων τῶν Μήδων τὸν ἥλιον, ὑπὸ σκιῇ ἔσοιτο πρὸς αὐτοὺς ἡ μάχη

Μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος
οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί᾽ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε᾽ ἔθηκε

ὡς οὐκ ἔστι λέουσι
καὶ ἀνδράσιν ὅρκια πιστά

Timeō Danaōs et dōna ferentīs

Ο δε πόλεμος... βίαιος διδάσκαλος

Μέγα τὸ τῆς θαλάσσης κράτος

Zει και βασιλεύει και τον κόσμο κυριεύει
[Ζει ο βασιλιάς Αλέξανδρος;]

ΕΣΣΕΤΑΙ ΗΜΑΡ

Φωτιά
και Τσεκούρι
στους
προσκυνημένους

Ω τρακόσιοι! Σηκωθήτε
Και ξανάλθετε σ’ εμάς
Τα παιδιά σας θέλ’ ιδήτε
Πόσο μοιάζουνε με σας

Σε γνωρίζω από την κόψη
Του σπαθιού την τρομερή,
Σε γνωρίζω από την όψη,
Που με βιά μετράει τη γη.
Απ’ τα κόκκαλα βγαλμένη
Των Ελλήνων τα ιερά,
Και σαν πρώτα ανδρειωμένη,
Χαίρε, ω χαίρε, ελευθεριά!

πάρεισιν ἐγγὺς ἡμῶν
καὶ ἡμεῖς αὐτῶν ἐγγύς

Ἕλληνας βούλοιτό τις λέγειν εἴτε Ῥωμαίους, ἡμεῖς ἐσμὲν ἐκεῖνοι καὶ τὴν Ἀλεξάνδρου δὲ καὶ τῶν μετ’ ἐκείνων ἡμεῖς σώζομεν διαδοχήν

δι᾽ ὑμᾶς Ἀετὸς εἰμι

Μῆλον τῆς Ἔριδος

τὰ πάντα ῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει

Κουράγιο Νικήτα, Τούρκους σφάζεις

ὦ παῖδες Ἑλλήνων ἴτε ἐλευθεροῦτε πατρίδ᾽, ἐλευθεροῦτε δὲ παῖδας, γυναῖκας, θεῶν τέ πατρῴων ἕδη, θήκας τε προγόνων: νῦν ὑπὲρ πάντων ἀγών.

Δεῖμος καὶ Φόβος

Διαίρει καὶ Βασίλευε

Δέσποτα, μέμνεο τῶν Ἀθηναίων

ζῷον πολιτικόν

Ἑλλήνων προμαχοῦντες Ἀθηναῖοι Μαραθῶνι χρυσοφόρων Μήδων ἐστόρεσαν δύναμιν

ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

Εὕρηκα!

θάλαττα θάλαττα - ΘΑΛΑΤΤΑ ΘΑΛΑΤΤΑ

οἴμοι, καθ᾽ Ἑλλάδ᾽ ὡς κακῶς νομίζεται

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ΝΙΨΟΝΑΝΟΜΗΜΑΤΑΜΗΜΟΝΑΝΟΨΙΝ

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Dimitris Ari
Dimitris Ari - 13.09.2023 09:22

Apostle paul knew the greek language , when he visited macedonia (neapoli, filippoi, amfipoli, thessalonica, veroia, apollonia, ) he was able to communicate with them and preach the gospel, because Macedonias spoke Greek, it was the same language he also used when he visited Athens, Corinth, Cecheres, Creta , Asia Minor, etc.

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SpartanLeonidas
SpartanLeonidas - 13.09.2023 09:10

⁠Our good FIL araki Loukas is in FIL adelfia, talking about King FIL ippos in a very FIL osofiko way! I bet he is very FIL oxenos because he seems to have a lot of FIL oxenia & FIL otimo & also seems to be quite the FIL omathos since he is a Lexo FIL os!!!

O Glorious ΕΛΛΑΣ, who is even worthy to stand in your Shadow? You have influenced the Entire World Countless times Directly & indirectly. Your Eternal Light will always bring you the Ultimate NIKE against all the uncivilized Barbarians who attempt to usurp your Athanato Legacy with their Tricks of Stolen Valor..🇬🇷🦅✊🏻

-Sebastianos o Ellenas kai FIL ellenas

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Andreas Kapetanidis
Andreas Kapetanidis - 13.09.2023 09:06

Makedonia = Greece (Hellas)

Greece(Hellas)=Makedonia

North Monkeydonia = Skopia (Slave)

Monkeydonian Language = Bulgarian Slave Language

That's all ...

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Katerina Makedonia
Katerina Makedonia - 13.09.2023 07:11

Bar Bar Bar...aros because their languages were seemed absurd to Greeks. That's why use this word. And because the Democratic Athens accused any other town with kings "barbarians"that don't makes elections of the president (pro-istame is the ancient Greek verb)

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Katerina Makedonia
Katerina Makedonia - 13.09.2023 07:00

Οι Μακεδόνες είμαστε ΈΛΛΗΝΕΣ από το Άργος-Αργειοι!
Macedonians we're Greeks but some megalomaniacs around tell us that we aren't without any book philosophers or historical information. Just because Tito and Stalin told them (to occupy OUR homeland)using this disgraceful disgusting propaganda world's history and the greatest Greek man Alexander!!

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Mario Ivanovski
Mario Ivanovski - 12.09.2023 23:34

Name Macedonia has almost the same meaning as the word Madona.Its a cult towards mother.Learn some Slavic language and you will find 1000 Slavic words in Iliad and Odyssey from Homer that are used today.

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Robert NORTAN
Robert NORTAN - 12.09.2023 21:53

Alec's Andros seems a mix of Slavic and Hellenic name. My two Draghmas.

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tom bats
tom bats - 12.09.2023 17:19

There are seven diphthongs in Greek. The o and i in Greek is pronounced like a long e, like the double e in the word cheese. So it is not kinoi, but kene.

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Emilia
Emilia - 12.09.2023 10:01

And If ,old macedonians spoke a slavic language?!!;

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Emilia
Emilia - 12.09.2023 09:55

Macedonian was a thracian,or illiric language..the simple macedonian spoke NO greek.Their elite learned IT with greek teachers

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Emilia
Emilia - 12.09.2023 09:50

Alexander had greek,and not macedonian as mother tongue..his mother was greek, not macedonian.His father was

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Jim Londos
Jim Londos - 12.09.2023 06:06

The true answer is during the Philotas trial where he preferred the attic glossa instead of the Macedonian dialect because it WAS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND!!
by all Because if it was a non greek glossa there was no need to say EASIER..This says it all!

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Jim Londos
Jim Londos - 12.09.2023 06:02

How can they not know what language the ancient Macedonians spoke?
Its like saying we dont know what language the Romans or the Persians spoke!
But most important why would the Macedonians spread the Hellenic language and not theirs if they hada one!!

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Diomedes
Diomedes - 12.09.2023 04:06

Mmm... Are we sure Italian grammar is closer to French one than to Spanish? I don't think I am.

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Sean Brown
Sean Brown - 11.09.2023 14:40

It seems from just a cursory glance that the evidence points to ancient Macedonian being a Greek dialect. I’m not too surprised that many ancient Greeks may have found it difficult to understand Macedonian. People have problems understanding accents within one language, let alone any divergences or other languages changes between dialects. It seems that Macedonian may have contained more drastic dialectal differences than between other Greek dialects. And if koine eventually replaced Macedonian then I suspect those differences were indeed drastic enough as to be abandoned after koine was adopted.

I’m sad that very little of ancient Macedonian has come down to us. It would be so interesting to know more and get a feeling for what many ancient Greeks found difficult or unfamiliar about the ancient Macedonian dialect.

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Alexandra Bilchuris
Alexandra Bilchuris - 11.09.2023 14:33

If a Greek like demo themes called the Macedonians barbarians non Greek that could only mean that the Macedonians weren’t Greek! If you want to know whether a Macedonian is Greek just ask us & we will tell you No! We are Macedonians completely different ethnicity from the Greeks!

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stavraka82
stavraka82 - 10.09.2023 17:51

This is an extremely silly video and an attempt at getting clicks and views. What other languages were used in the region at that time. I'm holding my breath to hear the word slavic so that it may confirm your biases.

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Caeser Not Rex
Caeser Not Rex - 09.09.2023 13:48

Alexander clearly spoke a Slavic language, and those speaking Slavic languages are the direct successors of the empire. We should give the empire back to these Slavic-speaking people. Modern Greeks are barely even Greek at all, especially not Macedonian.

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KXa
KXa - 08.09.2023 12:17

The last twenty years it's common practice people in the web to read comments from slavs who live in North macedonia and abroad claiming a new version of History outside of the mainstream hstoriography.The explanation is rather complicated and has to do with their need to abandon. Their close cultural relation with bulgarian nation in the last 12 centuries Their history follows the migration route of South slavs to Balkans in 6th century and the arrival of Proto bulgars in 8th century in the same area when both groups gradually are mixed in one nation with bulgars to adopt the slavic language and Cristianity along with slavs as common faith this situation lasts until the end of 19th century when slavs intellectuals are proposing the ethnic and cultural separatism from Bulgarians The question ,if this movment was political motivated or it was a new ethnogenesis can be answered by macedonian slavs revolutionaries of 1903 where in their memoirs wrote that it was a trick because a direct unification with Bulgarian state it wouldn't be accepted by great powers in Europe and thus a new macedonian nation should be invented However this invention had no succeeded in that time due to balkans war and the defeat of bulgarians but it was renovated in 1923 by Stalin also with no success. Until 1944 when The Yougoslav Tito recognized a macedonia nation ...for own geostatigic benefit The new nation got a new language codification and written form in order the spoken dialect to be a language more close to Serbian than bulgarian In 1991 this nation became independent state and the macedonian slavs became ancient macedonians descendants of Alexander the great starting a long polemic not only with Greeks but also with all historians and scholars in the world ...😂

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Дејан Петровски
Дејан Петровски - 03.09.2023 13:43

The name Greece was never mentioned in any official historical document before 1832 when this fake country was made from Bavarian aristocracy and everything from macedonian heritage was brutally stolen and claimed as greek and hellenic, which is the fake propaganda until today.

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Дејан Петровски
Дејан Петровски - 03.09.2023 13:35

Macedonians speak Macedonian and Slavic language and used demotic script, an old "Egyptian letters" until IX century when they adapt phonetic language to phonetic cirilic letters. In fact most of Europe in ancient times were settled with Slavic people speaking same language but they are called with different tribenames, like Ilirians, Macedonians, Tribali, Veneti, Pelasgians, Paionians and many more.

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Martino The Sage
Martino The Sage - 01.09.2023 07:07

Your argument colapses on itaself, you said it yourself the spoken language of the kindom of Makedon had no written form untill the athenians thebians and wharevers else put their teachers there to teach the greek language and i cant stress this enugh they was greek teachers they had no intention to write down the macedonian language, becouse the langueage spoken by ther natives had no written form, keep in mind this is coming freom a macedonian orphaned by the greeks in modern day Solun (thesalonica) and brought to the republic of macedonia at an early age. so somewhat of a bias opinion, but there have been confirmed genocides and an offical law on the teritorry of greece to not be allowed to speak any other languages such as slavic Macedonian (my native tounge) albanian, and roma gypsy, but given that history has shown That Macedonians are a threat aincent or otherwise are viewed as a threat. I am just sad, couse much history was lost in the burnings of the wars fought at the time also the region is messy whn it comesto history.
also id like to add that i think that herodicus that said the aincent Macedonian kingdom was a kingdom of Macedonians ruled by greek descendants.i think im talking about the time Alexander the first asked to participate in the then olympyc games.

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Avunculus Cattus in gloria!
Avunculus Cattus in gloria! - 30.08.2023 06:06

First of all, allow me express my sympathy, for having to deal with all those paranoid, ignorant and illiterate Balkan nationalists. Even greeks, who have undisputed credentials of continuity are not identical to ancient greeks the same way I'm not identical to my namesake grandfather. Nations, far from being just imaginary communities, are nevertheless on constant move and reinvention. But, maybe, we should show some sympathy for them all, too. From ex-imperialist greeks to northern macedonians who weren't there at all until Tito invented them (and some Bulgarians still think they do not exist, while many albanians gladly could make it be so), we have to do with poverty-striken, corruption-ridden nations. Fantasies of grandeur that never was, act like painkiller - until the winds of history make it all absolutely irrelevant, that is, recycled for future nationalisms to be. To solve once and for good the problem, Macedonia and every other country belongs to its international creditors.
Well, nobody had seriously rose the subject of the language spoken by ancient Macedonians before the advent of panslavism. Ancient sources, when they are not politically charged, more or less affirm that ancient Macedonians were Greeks albeit a kind of backwater. Some, like Livy you mentioned, are outright affirmative, with Strabo ("Ἔστι μὲν οὖν Ἑλλὰς καὶ ἡ Μακεδονία", etc) being the most quoted. Non-Greek sources like Persian cuneiform seem to affirm this too. One shouldn't give so much weight to macedonian "glosses" either. No modern American scholar would ever compile an Australian vocabulary based on fancy information provided by uneducated tourists, but in pre-modern times travel was on foot or horseback and definitely too expensive and dangerous for most people except merchants and sailors. No TV or web, no schools, no public transport. Ancient polymaths, unsystematically (for any scientific discipline was still in cradle then), couldn't do any better. Some other counterarguments, like Plutarch's "ἀναπηδήσας ἀνεβόα Μακεδονιστὶ", can easily be dismissed as it could refer to a local dialect rather than a different language - official Greek language is nowadays used all over the country but certain groups like Pontic Greeks still keep the dialect of their ancestors and often use it, occasionally when they are pissed-off, like Plutarch's Alexander. Anyway, no matter what Ancient Macedonians spoke, definitely it was not Slavic. Slavs in Balkans appeared many centuries later, when pressure from Eurasian steppes and Roman decline set Völkerwanderung in motion. As a historian I'm not very fond of paleogenetics for I know what kind of racial melting pot can empires be, yet some genetic studies show striking similarities between Mycenaean Greeks, modern Greeks, southern Italians and modern Albanians - and quite dissimilar to Slavs. All ancient greek dialects seem to sprout from that mountainous area that is now divided between Epirus and Western Macedonia. The original "Macedonia", the long valley of Haliakmon river lies there, "makos" being the common greek word for lenth, "mikos" (from attic "mekos") in modern greek. (Hellas, the greek name for Greece, started its career as a valley name too, the valley of Spercheios river). And if we let ourselves not to follow blindfoldedly ancient authorities, the nearby located Argos Orestikon, the "White houses of the mountain dwellers", could be the metropolis of Argives' classical Argos and not the other way round. Their eponymous hero, Orestes, is the Argive par excellence. Lying beside Kastoria, the Beavers' Lake, it might also have been the homeland of another peloponnesian legendary hero, Castor, who is, along with his brother, the indoeuropean equine counterpart deities of Indian Asvins. Theseus, also active in Argolid, and even the Greek Underworld ruling couple seem to follow the same route, from northwest Greece into the classical world. Dorians, with their "Makednoi" constitutional element are, of course, the historical Peloponnesians who descended from the North. This would make the tribes of Epirus and Macedonia not only Greeks, but actually the original Greeks, the Proto-Hellenic indoeuropeans who subjugated the neolithic, originally middle-eastern prehellenic farmers, forming the admixture that was to become the legendary classical nation. First "mycenean" graves appear there long before Peloponnese. The broader area could be, some centuries before that, the original bed of indoeuropean settlement before expanding to conquer the indigenous farmers and differentiate to what was about to become "Proto-Greek", "Proto-Illyrian" or "Proto-Phrygian", etc. Although there is no positive affirmation that Albanians are of Illyrian descent and written Albanian first appears more than one and a half millennia after first written Greek, some linguists suspect there could be an ancient Palaeo-Balkan language family including those languages along with now lost Phrygian and even Armenian - or other related languages we will never hear of. Genetics and linguistics seem to coincide. Ancient Macedonian was either Greek or a close relative of Greek. Most likely, Macedonian Greeks incorporated some prehellenic closely related Palaeo-Balkan tribes - similar to Paeonians – and this could partly explain some uncertain 'glosses', like “danos” for “thanatos” for example. But, I guess, that old macedonian spell puts the final nail on the “non-greek macedonian” coffin. If you allow me a personal note, I'm a fluent but not a native speaker of modern greek, so I keep my distance from the language - but only to admire it. As I read once again the spell, I couldn't help thinking how neo-hellenic is the feeling I get from it. Greek girls today may no longer feel that way, but older women, local and Asia Minor refugees alike, already too old when I first visited Greek Macedonia 30 years ago, would agree about how precious it would be for them to “grow to old age together” with the man they chose to share their lives – or how much alive was the roman ideal of “univira” in rural Greece until very recently. Ending, the sheer beauty of humanist knowledge, history, linguistics, myths, even genetics is all that's worthy. Religious-like blind beliefs, are the solution of the gullible - why feed them if you can fool them?

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Cyclonus2377
Cyclonus2377 - 29.08.2023 01:30

Doric, Ionic, Koine, Attic, Macedonian... It's all Greek to me 😅😅😅😅
Sorry, couldn't resist...

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Veselin Genov
Veselin Genov - 27.08.2023 17:32

He is not "south west" bulgarians and the republic of FMRO are genetical decendents of the bulgars and they were caucasian barbarians like the avars is northern greek😊

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Alexandre Jovanovic
Alexandre Jovanovic - 27.08.2023 16:31

The macedonians from Greece today speak greek and macedonian language, the same language as the North macedonians, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. I have assisted to a conversation between does two people. This language is an ancian serbian language that is still spoken in the Serbian region of Vranje. So you should try to look in that direction, because it was just a constatation not a theory or a thesis.

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caraboska
caraboska - 27.08.2023 15:45

The weird part, though, is that there is a modern language called Macedonian which is in fact a Slavic language very close to Bulgarian. Let us say that if I want to read modern Macedonian, my knowledge of Polish is going to be more useful to me than my knowledge of Koine :)

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Radu Leu
Radu Leu - 27.08.2023 10:51

Everybody "know" that Alexander the Great spoke the bulgarian dialect called "macedonian".. spoken by "macedonians" in North Macedonia.

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Macedonian Etymology
Macedonian Etymology - 27.08.2023 03:30

(1 minute read) One simple fact: SALONICAE or short as SLNCE means SUN even in the modern Macedonian language. That is how the Macedonian Philip II named his daughter. Thessaloniki is a word in old-Macedonian translating as "Sunshine".

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Faramund
Faramund - 26.08.2023 20:09

Thank you Matthew Badcock for supporting this channel.

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Johnny Rocketed
Johnny Rocketed - 26.08.2023 16:44

Great channel. Love the outtakes. Just came over from Simon’s. 👏😊

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adriano G
adriano G - 24.08.2023 18:18

greeks stole a lot of illyrian history, thats a well known fact today.

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adriano G
adriano G - 24.08.2023 18:11

he was illyrian/albanian, like a lot of other great man in history. they only used greek alphabet. go look the history of messapians.

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JSCRocketScientist
JSCRocketScientist - 23.08.2023 01:42

I’m laughing because I’m a huge fan of the musical 1776. 😂 “OPEN UP the WINDOW!”

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Eric Girard
Eric Girard - 22.08.2023 08:53

Originally the foundation of the Makedonian Monarchy is due to some Argians (Argeads dynasty) who were exiled to the North for some internal dispute reason, so it is quite likely that the Makedonian aristocracy merged with these people and used a Dorian dialect as the nobility language. What were Dorians ?? They are migrants from the North (Eurasian pot from Ukraine ?) who went South and took controle of the major Achean centers out of Athens. So they probably mixed with Makedonians first in one way or another and as you said for the youth of the Makedonian aristocracy, it was a bit like adding one other indo European language very close to their own dialect to their skills like French, Italian, Spanish as you said... Then understanding Attic or Ionian dialect was something easy on the top. Although racism has been well defined only lately I'm not sure that Barbaroïs were only foreign speakers in the Greek conception, I think the Greeks clearly distinguished their own ethnical differences and as Makedon was more mixed than probably any other Community in Southern Greece they always considered them like not 100% Greeks simply because they were constantly forced to assimilate new migrations from Nothern Balkans or surrounding territories. For makedon kings conquering their surrounding was like having security buffer zones with their agitated neighbours and along the time they adopted the Makedonian habits and language probably themselves a deformed version of Dorian dialect. Being the ruler of Makedon meant knewing a fast moving border and verious foreign etnhical groupes and languages, so Makedon had to be a powerful assimilating motor as local mighty State and authority. Aristote was from Stagyra in the vicinty but he brought classical Greek to soften the raw Dorian dialect.

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Ⱀⰰⱍⰻⱀⰰⱓⱋⰹⰺ Ⱅⰲⱁⱃⰵⱌ - 21.08.2023 17:13

hello, can you help me identify the nominative case, one ancient Greek word, otherwise I’m breaking my head and I can’t understand what these words mean.
The following is written: si cum ἠλιγμένοις/η҆λιγμήνοις aliquot collatus fuerit.
Ηλιγμηνοις what is it?Perhaps, ablative plural...

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Nikos Iakovidis
Nikos Iakovidis - 19.08.2023 20:04

The word "barbaros" has a second meaning. It defines also the behaviour of somebody. I think it isnt necessary to explain, why the ancient Atheneans said about Spoartans, they behave barbaric. So, its very understandable why they, sameway called the "tall guys" (makednoi) from the north, barbarians. Because they werent that delicate and educated as the southern greeks..

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Xara Zournatzi
Xara Zournatzi - 18.08.2023 19:42

Είμαι Ελληνίδα Μακεδονίσσα μιλάω την ελληνική γλώσσα

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