اگر عیسی خدا است، پس چرا خطاب به پدر دعا می کند؟

اگر عیسی خدا است، پس چرا خطاب به پدر دعا می کند؟

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@benlubre6488
@benlubre6488 - 18.05.2021 08:06

some reasons why Jesus ( PBUH ) is not The-God :
1. God is eternal and unchanging :
doctrine of the trinity says = God is one but 3 distinct which each of the distincts are fully God
incarnation is the keyword = the 2nd distinct took on human bodily flesh in form of Jesus ( thus Mary gave birth to the Jesus , God entered to the creation as a fully human and fully God )
but the Bible says :
Psalms 93:2 = Your throne was established long ago; you are from all eternity
James 1:17 = Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows
"God is eternal and unchanging 'cause He transcends time"
so the claim that God became flesh is a contradiction ( 'cuz God has changed ) . God is the pinnacle of perfection . there is no need for Him to become anything . if somethings needs to be added to His nature (humanity or stuff ) then doesn't that mean He lacked something before ?
which state is considered more Godly ? = pre-incarnation God or post-icarnation God
Christians say : when God became a man a human nature was merely added to his existing divine nature , since the the two nature did not mix the divine nature didn't change at all and so god remained the same! .
can this be considered valid reasoning ?
if God added a new nature to himself then that is * a change in state * ?
was God always a man ? He was not ! . did He become a man ? according to Trinitarians He did .
" So the claim the God did not change is nothing more than a philosophical wordplay"

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@benlubre6488
@benlubre6488 - 18.05.2021 08:06

2. Jesus ( PBUH ) lacks God's attributes
Mark 11:12-14 = The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.
such an incident makes no sense in light of the trinitarians that Jesus is fully God . God is all-knowing . if Jesus is god then that would make him to create a fig tree . then how he could have been ignorant of the fact that it was not the season for figs ?! . If trinitarians want to argue that it was the human limited nature that made this mistake , theد " why did the divine nature act on the mistake of the human nature ?" . " is this the case of a human nature overriding the divine nature ?" . is such a thing possible ? . moreover , why would God curse the fig tree for producing fruits in certain seasons ? , something he himself willed it to do . if Jesus is god then " would it have been more befitting to command the tree to bear fruit ?
we can see when it comes to the knowledge of Jesus , either the divine nature is lacking or completely absent !. then how can Christians claim that Jesus is fully God and fully human !? .
but we see that Jesus is human but not divine 'cuz he lacks essential attribute of God such as possessing All-knowledge .
more over such divine short comings are just restricted to Jesus but the Holy-spirit also lacks God's perfect knowledge .
Mark 13:32 = “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
here Jesus categorically states "no one" himself and the holyspirit know "the hour" , but only the Father . Since they both lacks the Fathers knowledge the trinitarians claim that the Father , the son and the holy-spirit are equal is false .
"the co-equality of the persons is the central pillar" . without which the foundation of the trinity comes crashing down .

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@benlubre6488
@benlubre6488 - 18.05.2021 08:06

3. Jesus ( PBUH ) affirms pure monotheism
Mark 12:28-34 = 28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength'. 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these.”
32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. 33 To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And from then on no one dared ask him any more questions.
this incident was the perfect opportunity for Jesus to make the misconception of Jewish correct about God's nature and give a trinitrian understanding as you can see the opposite is the case . by quoting the old-testament commandment about God being one and agreeing with Jewish teachers interpretation , Jesus is affriming a Jewish understanding of God that is purely monotheistic . and rejects all notion of the God being a trinity .
john 17:1-3 = “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
notice that Jesus identifies the Father as the only tru God to the exclusion of himself the son . now if really Jesus is part of the trinity the he would have said : "the Father the son and the holyspirit are the only tru God " . it is clear by these examples that Jesus was obeying the all old testaments prophets .

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@عزیزچپرلی-ذ1ح
@عزیزچپرلی-ذ1ح - 04.09.2022 13:22

حالت خوبه شوخی نمیکنی واقعا جدی میگی باز خدارو شکر انسان عقل دارد این چرندیات با عقل جور در نمیاد

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@amirsalemi3352
@amirsalemi3352 - 13.09.2023 15:21

کفر شرکه خداوند نه زاده میشود نه میزاید

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@hamraz1576
@hamraz1576 - 08.09.2024 00:34

هرگز هرگز خدا منزه و پاک است از آنکه برای او شریک قرار دهند

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