I Went To The Jiu Jitsu Gym That Never Drills

Gay little “games”. You’re referring to positional sparring.

I'll go out on a limb and say they also never win...

I competed against Deandre when I was a young teenager in the finals of an adult division. He took my back and choked me out in about 10 seconds, needless to say I was out classed lol

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They're basically doing drills they just don't say so to give their gym a quirk that grabs people's attention

Im almost positive he got this from frans bosch. I think frans is way more sophisticated them him. The ecological approach and contraints based methods is used by bosch for strength and conditioning, and sauders used to be a S and C guy. I think greg doesnt understand the motor control. Also, no matter what there's is a heavy component of central control or top-down control.I think gregs method is not much different than any other good coach. You need to do both. I think greg is a little overly cocky and arrogant, but he brings up a good point. Are you really learning anything that can be applied and that the general principles need to be learned in a live setting. I just dont think he has a great understanding of motor control and doubt he has ever read a whole book on it. He is great coacn though.

I skip the moves and drills and warm up I just come to roll

I love this!

i fucking hate drilling lol you do a hour and a half class and hour doing some shit youve done 100+ times

This is all what I call drilling. However for aggressive young white belts with egos it's injuries waiting to happen

thats why that gym sucks ass

I move a lot and have been to many different gyms. I think they key factor is your drilling partner to resist enough that you only succeed about 60-70% of the time. If you always fail progress is slow. If you always succeed cuz it's no resistance then you never advance. Those people are hard to find it's also hard to find a coach cool with it

It’s interesting how cultish the defenders of this style is in response to criticism that’s its not that different. If you have trained long enough you will run into coaches who naturally do this typically with higher belts simply because they have a base understanding of Bjj. This approach I believe is more successful now because of the more wide exposure of Bjj. I think this style of training is great for problem solving and application but can fail at technique refinement of mechanics. Unfortunately bjj coaching is just starting to understand what all major sports before it have when it comes to coaching. This is an intermediate to advanced coaching “drill”. If this was footballl it wouldn’t be seen as revolutionary because you are just running 2 minute or the Oklahoma drill. Before that you have the skill development done to run the drill game concept you want to impart on the player.

Awesome video

This is essentially admitting you don't know every micro nuance of how to grapple in a way you can teach. Which is a common and normal thing

So then you set up a game that primes the students to experiment and teach themselves new techniques in a way that feels natural and controllable. It is a very powerful way of teaching

I feel situational drilling is the better way to understand details in action.

The problem with this approach is that it’s more effective for seasoned grapplers. People who are brand new to bjj will struggle hard to this. You can’t play chess if you don’t know what the pieces do. Just like bjj, you don’t know what you should be doing if you haven’t drilled it before and not being taught.

In wrestling we call that situational drilling. Where basically you start in on the beginning of a technique and then work to finish it. Instead of starting from standing neutral position where you are face to face with a partner. For example you start in on a single leg. You already have a one of your knees up and one of your knees down, along with your hands locked around your partner’s leg. Coach will either start the clock or your partner taps you to initiate the countdown on when to begin the situational drill. Once you begin you’re able to work on finishing the single, rather than shooting from the neutral position to get to your partner’s leg to finish. We do this with any move because it eliminates the time wasted when someone is working to get to a setup for a move and gets you to have a match type/competition like feel to it depending on the amount of intensity that’s output by both you and a partner. Typically we would go by percentages like coach would say “defensive guy put X amount of effort in defending” against the person on the offensive side of the move; or go balls to the wall on both guys to get a live feel of the technique.

Looks like a drill to me.

“The invisible Jiu Jitsu”
Greg Souder knows what’s up

This is very educational for me! Thank you so much for making this video!

Nothing new. Many many many coaches have spoken on this. Books have been written. This was cutting edge decades ago.

That’s drilling

It's a marketing ploy. It's not the first time someone took a system of martial arts or exercise, switched up the routine to make it look a little different, and "rebranded" it to make it stand out and get buzz. And if you think they're not still drilling more traditionally on their own once they discover weaknesses or want to get better at specific techniques you're kidding yourself, not us. lol I know lot's of girls that said they'd never been kissed before too. ;) Just cuz someone says it, doesn't mean it's "technically true". I also know some people that claim to be 100% vegan, BUT WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BELIEVE THAT AREN'T LOOKIN'... LOL
I believe the best coaches/gyms are the ones that would use both the games and the traditional drilling to improve techniques. It seems natural actually. I didn't know there were gyms that ONLY did one or the other.

Yeah, this is basically the approach ive been trying to take for accumulating skills, learning stuff, etc. Also the medium of "game" adds a fun element to it, which makes you automatically put in effective hours, so you dont need to drill as much, because it;s focused learning and "reps", just with a diff mindset to it and slightly different focus. Focus on principles and learn the techniques and know the end games

You should check out Revel in East Brunswick NJ, Jason Scully (grapplers guide) kinda follows this same orthodoxy in his classes

Why do you say there are no drills? What you are doing again and again is a drill. A drill is to repeat something in order for it to gain deep roots in you; the deeper the drill creates a hole, the deeper the nail will go, thus more effective. So by repetition you "drill" in you mind concepts and techniques.

Yeah makes sense. I've always thought the standard BJJ class is a massive waste of time.

"You can't be good at armbars" is an important statement

This is not the future, this is how I always learn it in Brazil

For beginners to create muscle memory and older fighters to improve movement the mobility drills are useful. If you are younger and trained it might not be necessary..

This is perfect for those of us that don’t have the typical body proportions. My short legs and arms can’t do a lot of what is taught but I can definitely figure out a way to do something that works for me if I understand it as an objective that needs to be accomplished.

Did he grab your wrist when he did the kneecut?

@joshrichbjj if there is more to that interview with Noah, I would love to see it

Looks like drilling to me.

How is this method implemented at the white belt level? How do they learn the basic moves?

good, i don't know how drilling crept into jiujitsu. save that kata bullshit for karate class

purpose of drilling is getting great at techniques without getting injured or limiting the risks. you can drill for hours and not worry about injuries. Sparring will also make you great even with better results but with a lot of chances of getting injured.

Isn't this just positional sparring? Also surely they'd have to show white belts something before they can start doing anything but I'm no expert so I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks.

great way to get injuries in training LOL

Let's remember that most gyms, emphasis on "most", are only there to make money. The longer a student/customer takes to develop their skills the more money the gym makes. Train at the gym that meets your needs.

this is drilling😭

The guy you are grappling with must outweigh you by a bit bro’s legs are twice the size

You kneed the guy in the face so many times thou W 😂

Im gonna add to everyone else by saying this is still drilling.

Saying its not drilling makes you look and sound ridiculous. It makes it seem like you dont even know what drills are.

You gotta do repetitive drilling in everything you want to be good at

I agree, drilling is way over played, greg souders is what jiu jitsu needs right now.