Surtalogi: Saint of the Abyss | Genshin Impact Lore and Speculation

Excited for Capitano video now

As an autist with a hyperfixation on religious history there are some inaccuracies in the video I’d like to clarify

1 Jotun aren’t giants, the best translation for jotun we have is "devourer" and only two jotuns are described as physically huge (uthgard-loki and ymir). They aren’t a separate "species" from the gods but more like a separate "tribe"

2 there isn’t a solid list of nine realms. For example alfheim is located inside asgard, niflheim and helheim are more often described as one realm (niflhel) than as separate realms, nidavellir is a meadhall and jotunheim isnt written like that but like this : jotunheimar, which is plural, as in "the realmS of the devourers"

3 logi and loki are distinct beings. Loki loses against logi in an eating competition in a story

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if Rhinedottir put consciousness of abyss creatures into her creatures
there is possible surtalogi put human consciousness into newhumans and abyssal creature..
i know surtalogi and loki are different person but loki in Norse mythology can the consciousness thing too

ı always thought there was actually 5 shades of primordial one and one of them was fallen, in tsurumi murals there are 4 Stars around the sun but there is one hidden star behind the tree maybe surtalogi is the shade of phanes itself but in the war phanes used forbidden knowledge against to sovereigns and that corrupted the abyss and light realm so that's the reason of the why phanes created fake sky and seperated the microcosm of the world and Universe but maybe surtalogi stayed in abyss somehow and corrupted like an fallen angel so the shades are angels but the foul the demon king is the fallen angel Lucifer( i already know that all of 4 shades are somehow lucifer or somehow Carries venus symbolism like istaroth=ishtar
Phosphorus
Hesperus) or. Maybe istaroth who has betrayed her own king made an contract to the sinner and they're combined their power or the black serpent the sinner gets the control the shade of time(i think the black serpent needs a host body like an phanes,nibelung,irmin,remus,and deshret and that's the point) when the first usurper came to primordial waters emperor give him a cup of water and he became unquestionable god king

that thumbnail is sick where’s the model from??

Would be cool if after tevyat, abyss and celestia are as big as tevyat in exploration

thumbnail character can get it

What if the sibling made a deal with surtalogi but this time around he cant take any one else's life for payment besides the traveller since they are not from this world and they dont belong to any nation

Little supporting tidbit about the relationship of the second and third descender and the sinner:

The Solar Chariot is said to be a star that descended during Morax' youth into the Chasm, so about 6000 years ago, roughly during the time of the Second Throne.

It remained in the Chasm until the Archon war, when it leaped to the heavens in an attempt to stop it, despite the "great chasm's persuasions to stay". With the chasm of course also possibly being the home of the Sinner's crystal at the time.

Which could mean a bunch of things:
- Solar chariot could be the third descender
- Second and third descender could indeed have arrived together, possibly as siblings
- Third descender went to Celestia to try and end the Archon war
- Neuv mentions that Archon war ended with First and Third creating the Gnoses
- Meaning Third probably sacrificed themselves
- Sinner seemingly tried to convince the Third not to do it. Possibly due to being their sibling

If you read cyro assenstion stone the cyro archon says "burn away this old world for me"

Surtalogi, saint of the abyss meets Isshin the sword saint!

Charlotte's camera is so good

hey, another great video for everyone to enjoy, I watched it twice and probably need to watch it a third time.

The recent Archon Quest and the Thelxie event made me want to check out old lore to connect with the power of hindsight and i think i hit something really promising on a subject i' ve been cooking on. I am really happy you mentioned the faded Castle book too, it really helped me on with my little research.
Fortunately i have alot of time on my hands to dive back into the rabbit hole. I' d love to share it with you once i feel more comfortable on that matter.

I have been looking for a way to connect with other lore enthusiasts. Is there a designated discord for that or something ? Otherwise i think i will resort to posting in the comments.

Keep up the great work and happy holidays!

At the part of the man scared for the clock reaching the midnight i could not think on anything but the Narzissencruz and the Doom Clock

What if Enjou is Surtalogi, maybe he was being too modest about himself. I'd love that idea.
The bastard can shapeshift, and there's multiple of him with the same voice too, though only for gameplay reasons lmao

Maybe their like weaker extensions of himself, like how Dottore has his Segments.

bro didn't just cook... man's made a whole 4 course meal for us

the massive crossover i have never seen in my whole entire life.

I see that you are really making a profit of Charlotte camera item

Your voice is so perfect for this. Makes me feel like I’m listening to a documentary. Love how deep this one was!

Now i can't wait for another Capitano video.Most badass and anticipated char.

I kinda dislike so much use of hi3 videos on a genshin theory.. it feels like a disrespect to genshin as it is its own game...

It was said the first and second thrones worked together using the remnants of the third descender to create the gnoshissess. So that theory about the third sacrificing themselves to fix what the second destroyed is very unlikely.

Who's the guy in the thumbnail he looks sick

Black flame means sulfur in alchemy ~

I hope for Surtloji's design; to be a mix of Childe's Foul Legacy, and the Abyssal Creature that’s inside the All-Devouring One, and a bit of Baptist; With Dark wings. Idk how, but you get what I meant. I really liked this video. With that level of creativity, you are extremely underrated, actually.

Hope at some point we go to the past and witness some of these events

"ᛏᚺᛖ ᚠᛚᛟᛟᛞ ᛟᚠ ᚠᛁᚱᛖ ᛏᚺᚨᛏ ᛗᚨᚾ ᚲᚨᚾᚾᛟᛏ ᚹᛁᛏᚺᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛁᛋ ᚺᚨᛚᛏᛖᛞ ᛒᚤ ᛏᚺᛖ ᚹᛟᚱᛚᛞ ᛏᚱᛖᛖ ᚨᚾᛞ ᚡᚨᚾᛁᛋᚺᛖᛋ"
"The walking inferno will be halted by the world tree and vanish."
-Prophecy from a certain fallen kingdom from another world.

it is very difficult for me to synthesize my own thoughts and theories but i appreciate videos like these that give me inspiration and a reference of where to start in my own lore digging. Thank you for your hard work 💜

I didn't even think about Surtalogi being the sinner but this theory make's a lot more sense

I think Surtalogi is The Sinner.

I'm pretty sure Venti mentioned Ymir in the manga, along with two other ones but I can't remember.

I'm betting on him being Otto apocalypse

interesting lore video

Amazing video!!!!

lore content creators talking about books/mythologies in a way as if we are familiar with it . they just dump everything on you and make u even more confused. how about u make these parts with razor language to give context to everyone. i don't wanna waste watching a video telling me about vague methodologies that i don't care about just to tell me at the end that Surti is a fire man or whatever. keep it simple and less poetic.

Imagine the ass kicking Surtalogi would have given to Skirk if she had let Neuvillette kill his pet narwhal 😂😂😂😂

What if surtalogi is dains predecessor

Congrats on 10k!!!! You deserve it soo much

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I think Surtr is tied to the story that Cater told to Lanoire. I think the flower that the witch took is Rhine and the little girl should be Rhinedottir. The thing is that Hoyo rarely just puts random stories in the game without purpose. Before I was not sure but as soon as the story progressed to talk about Surtalogi I became confident that those two are related.

This is just a work of art! Please spread the news of this incredible man and his theories he deserves almost 10 times as much attention. Please do a collab with Ashikai and Rooze so you get more known just talk fringe theories people will be interested and listen I know they will. Some I can suggest at the top of my head rock theory, post apocalypse nuclear war theory(honkai), Alice in Wonderland. Thank you

U absolutly cooked omg !! This is perfect

Also wouldnt that means that an afterlife exist in Genshin? After all Hu Tao story quest touched the subject a bit

Chevreuse saying "Go to Hell"

And the Existence of a Shade of Death ?


Also is this the realm of Night Fischl talks about?


And what about the Night Mother ?

Hex and Hound has connection to north myth too (so Khaenri'ha) with the Witch of Darkness, Magdalene's sister, the so called Nottfrigga ?

Or is it Marana's avatar ?


So many people connected to Death

In Revelation 9=11 it writes that the Abyss has a king.
In Luke 8=31 the demons don't want to go to the Abyss.
How big really is the Abyss?

Great stuff as usual, where do you think verdofnir , the visionary sits here. Skirk equates them with surtologi and rhinedottr as someone trying to achieve their own brand of perfection.
Ive always thought that the entity within the crystal (or who talks through it from somewhere else) was the 'second who came' (who had an extreme beef with the primordial one). Others have said this equates them to nibelung, and we also know nibelung went outside teyvat to get the forbidden knowledge for his 'war of vengeance'. So who did he get it from? And how did he know it was there to be used. Still so many unknowns.

Im obsessed with your theories about Arlecchino