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German version of T-34...
ОтветитьTruth. The Germans has the world covered as far as Tanks go.
ОтветитьIts gretest shortcoing was its numbers. 6,000 produced, compared to 30,000+ each for T-34s and Shermans.
ОтветитьAnd today all of us are happy that they had these issues with Panther.
ОтветитьNazi Germany wasted resources. Example, the Panther should never have been deployed to the Western front. They should have keep all in the East. The Panzer III and IV, could do the job against the Allies Sherman tanks using tactics. The Panther, Tiger, should have been exclusive to the Eastern front.
ОтветитьPoorly researched; lots of unsourced myth.
ОтветитьPerfection will ALWAYS be beaten by Good enough.
ОтветитьIf the Germans had built nothing but this tank, refined it and fixed its problems, and built no other tanks once it was developed, putting all their resources into this one, things would have been tougher. Our overall strategy would still have won the day, choking out their ability to resupply and build, but, these tanks were their finest for all conditions. Just like the Sherman, it didn't have to be the best in any category, except to just build , build, build, a good enough tank. Thank God they didn't, and that Hitler was a dummy. Same for the Me262, and many other weapons he had, but wasn't wise enough to focus on those. His hatred and wickedness made him a fool.
ОтветитьDommage ce tank a était fabriquer à la va vite.
ОтветитьI think to this day no one has developed the perfect tank they all have at least one flaw
ОтветитьHindsight is always best, that being said the time and effort put into the Panther and the Tiger II, could have produced many many more Stug IIIs, Panzer IVs and Tigers, all of which were doing a good job as it was. The German Leadership was enamored with bigger has to be better and got beat by 50,000 Sherman's and God only knows how many T 34s of all variants. They would still have lost had they not built the Panther and Tiger II, but might have held out longer with more just good enough Tanks.
ОтветитьLets admit the fact that Panther was the most sexiest tank of WW-2 !!
ОтветитьI really find the computer voice quite annoying and cannot even finish watching this
ОтветитьHow good was it against a rocket firing Tempest?
ОтветитьMore Reliable than Tiger 1
ОтветитьIt is important that your tank be as simple to build, and maintain, as is possible. Cost is the other factor. Panthers, when you look at things like raw materials, and TIME needed to assemble one, were arguably, more cost effective than building say, a Tiger or Tiger II. In resource constrained Germany, this should have been the over-riding critera. Instead, the ultra expensive and resource hungry heavy tanks, were also built alongside relatively modest tanks, like the reliable Panzer IV, or even the Panther. It was interesting how this piece notes that late production models had brittle steel. This is often under-appreciated. Early model tanks, had much better steel than late model ones. So the tanks design problems finally get sorted out, but, the quality of the steel gets progressively worse over time. At the end, I bet the material the panther was made from, could only loosely be called 'steel' it was that bad.
ОтветитьYes, those side skirts on those panthers will stop those pesky infantry anti-tank guns in the modern battlefield today.
ОтветитьWhat most people fail to relise is the German tank crews got there feet wet in the Spain's civil war. The German tankers were far better train then the USA forces as the Sherman crews found out. When the German crews started the average age was 18 year old. The tiger ace Michael witmen comes to mind the black baron! As with the Panthers there were problems that goes with an weapon systems. Ask any Sherman crews they would say the deck of cards were already delt to the German crews. The movie fury got one thing right the Sherman crews had to fight in mutl pairs of 4 or more tanks.
ОтветитьTruely the dad of the modern tank
ОтветитьWhy are always the same boring discussions? It could kill any allied tank till the end in 1945, from far distance where it was imune to 95% of allied counter fire. This should answer the question once and for all
ОтветитьLol YT creators never faced a Panther in action yet believes they are over qualified to talk about like they have.....yeah tell the dead who died from a panther attack it was all hype
ОтветитьIt really should not be called a medium tank. It is in reality a heavy tank.
ОтветитьNow let's counting sherman's faults: .. wait, it's impossible in a single post, better counting only what was acceptable at it😂. The british counterparts.. do not deserve even mention, they were building then only GARBAGES.. for the ground and for the air, even if IMPERIAL PROPAGANDA presented spitfire supermarine as a top level plane, that was just a garbage as reliable as.. we all know it is british cars😂
ОтветитьIt is a tank
Ответитьa good doc
ОтветитьIm a tanker and an armor historian. It was ahead of its time and was the father of the main battle tanks of today. It is the actual father of the leo 1 and grandfather of leo 2
ОтветитьThe early production of Panthers troubles , stemmed from sabotage during assembly , mysterious engine fires , gear box issues and final drive breakage .
ОтветитьThere are several mistakes about fail of panthers in kursk..the 100° brigade's panther unit, attached to " Grossdeustchland", had an totally untrained crew..day by day, the training unit would sent most of their panthers to the factory to fixed problems..never had more than 10 panther..was impossible to trained 1000 crews having 10 tanks. Any combat training could be done..Panthers arrived to belgorod on 30 of june, barely 4 days before offensive, without zeroeded guns nor sincronized radios.. was 196, but 4 catch fire running to the front..and, on july 5, Von Strawitz, Grossdeustchland pz regiment commander sent panters to a mud's sea, where most was stuk..the weak trasmision was damaged, so half of thebpanthers was out of service BEFORE start the attack..and was used like assault guns, leading the attack, a great mistake because the land of mines and hundred of AT guns, wich couldn't penetrate it at the front but easely at the thiny side..
ОтветитьJust panther, not panther tank.
ОтветитьPamthets G, F , panther 2 and jagdpanthers /bergepanthers were reliable;
PanthersD and A [especially D] were in troubles or with limited reliability; however gun was formidable in all of them.
It was very understanding , how MAN won competition against Daimler Benz T34/ vk3002 with such machine like D-Panther just failed in operation Zitadelle with 80% breakdowns[some of them failed BEFORE batlle] ; did vk30 Daimler Benz also failed in such percent when first time will be deployed ?
Ok, ive heard some extreme untruths....
1st the Panther was being worked on before the encounter with the rather Poor T34 ( Russian propaganda made the T34 to being excellent ) MkIVGs could routinely destroy 40 T34s... the Russians made thousands of them.
The Panther was the next step up, and if the Pather was influenced via a tanks sloped armor, many of the French tanks had sloped armor, and the USA M4 Sherman's armor had a greater frontal slope and heavier armor than the venerable T34.
The T34 had its parts manufactured in many different factories inwhich caused ill fitting miss matched parts, this wasn't rectified till after the Korean War, yes the famed T34/85 was also a piece of junk, often with holes where the armament sights should have bean causing the gunner and commanders to sight down the barrel to aim, and usually overwhelmed and closing to less than 100 mtrs.
The Panther might have been rushed into production to fight in operation citadel, and the KV series were what the Germans were more afraid of due to their substantial heavy armor.
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It still is the sexiest tank ever build.
ОтветитьTotally missed the Shot Trap under main gun mantlet, that was corrected on model G.
ОтветитьNobody said it had supremacy. It was very good tank with increased reliability late in the war. So, don't complicate.
ОтветитьThe panther had legendary status but so did the tiger 1. They were probably just as valuable as the allied tanks. But respect to the Germans for producing outstanding armor way ahead of there time
ОтветитьFor all you model builders out there, like me, Tamiya produced a nice 1/35th scale model of the Panther, which is still available on the internet (I obtained my copy from Amazon). Although it shows its age- it was originally motorized with a battery compartment which is still visible inside the hull, and associated openings on the bottom- these flaws are easily corrected; the model is otherwise very detailed and builds up to a very nice representation of the Panzer tank. It is also much more reasonably priced than many of the much newer tank models from Tamiya and others...
ОтветитьThe fact Germany has just 25k tank to fight against about 250k to 300k
ОтветитьGreat tank, but not good enough to win Germany the war. Hit it in the side!
ОтветитьNot successful enough I'm afraid ,they lost the war.
ОтветитьThere is no such thing as a perfect tank. The panther was a better tank than the war time t 34
ОтветитьHad no idea the Panther was only marginally more expensive than a Panzer IV.
The other issue for the tanks was the total loss of air superiority, especially in Normandy. It doesn't matter how good your tank is when a fighter bomber can just drop a load on it
Super Teil, aber Diesel wäre besser und die 8,8 wäre auch besser als die 7,6 deutsche Rheinmetall, die auch im sowjetischen T34 eingebaut wurde, Die wurde 1931 an die Sowjets verkauft.
ОтветитьThe vehicle itself was great, but the KwK 42/70 was definitely the best gun of the war.
The final drive/transmission was probably it's biggest weakness. The overlapping road wheels where also a general maintenance issue.
Автор вказав дуже багато надуманих проблем Т5, взятих як кліше інших країн, які випробували трофейні пантери. Є інтерв'ю Дмитра Москальова, який відновив пантеру у Кубінці. І те, що ви в більшості озвучили про блеми Т5 є міфами і легендами! Трансиімія не була поганою чи слабкою в пантері і досить легко мінялася в польових умовах на нову кпп. Всі недоліки трансмісій були пов'язані з низкою якістю виготовлення внаслідок бомбардувань заводів союзною авіацією. Теж саме і опорні катки. Тобто ви вважаєте, що змінити торсіон чи пошкоджений опорний каток було важко?а на т-34 вам чомусь не здається змінити пошкоджений каток? Ровію міф! В пантері катки було легше замінити ніж в т-34, бо вага катка т-34 складала 250кг!а у Т5 вага опрного менше 80кг))і поки ви всім екіпажем на т-34 намагаєтеся змінити на новий пошкоджений каток в т-34, то в пантері 2 члени всього екипажу міняють вже 5ий чи 6ий каток. Це міф про про погану ремонтнопридатність підвіски пантери. Нагадати, скільки важить сдвоєний опорний візок у шермана? Понад 120кг і щось ніхто не каже, що у м4 погана підвіска! Бортова броня Т5 слабка?а в кого вона не слабка? Навіть післявоєнний центуріон мав не набагато товстішу броню в бортах і цей танк був досить захищений на свій час. Важка пантера? А ІС-2, Черчилль чи м26 не були важкими? Щось з їх переміщенням на мостах чи пантонах не було проблем))а в Т5 у 44 тони були проблеми. Ви самі заперечуєте логіці... можна багато про що говорити в німецькі танки, про їх недоліки, але не про пантеру. Ця машина випередила свій час і по суті була першим ОБТ у світі. І серія в 5700 штук це велика кількість для виробництва 3ого рейху. Якщо врахувати, що 1940-1945 рр. Було виготовлено 8000 Т4, а лише за два роки зроблено було 5700 пантер. Танк був простим і великосерійним. Проблеми булв тільки одна: бомбардування промисловості, комунікацій і добування нафти німців. Тому пантери лишилися запчастин, бензин, а якість їх виробництва впала дуже низько. Я думаю, що під бомбами м4 шерман теж сходили з конвеєрів не тої високої якості,яку ми бачили....
ОтветитьCrappy drive, propellant even worse and like you said brittle armor. If you are going to include up grades the Easy Eight was the best medium.
Ответитьthe reason why the panther is so legendary is because the design is the template of all modern tanks (mobility-firepower-protection) he is basicly the grandfather of all Mbt's.
ОтветитьPanther was better than any Tiger
Ответитьlisten, was the Panther as good as everyone makes it out? probably not. was it a 'waste of resources' as some people say? definitely not. look at its record. it was easily a match for the leading allied tanks, and often better than most. was it a little overdesigned and complicated to maintain, yup, were there flaws, such as the loader? also yup, but it did the job it was designed for very well and overall, i would say it would have been better to have them, than not
ОтветитьPanthers in my opinion where designed and developed a year to late.
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