What Happened to the "Red Flag" of New Zealand?

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits.
'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

never ever ever heard of anybody thinking a red flag was a "quasi NZ flag." You made that up. Just because merchant ships fly something different does not make it "quasi" anything or remotely official. It has NEVER EVER been an alternative NZ flag. It simply denoted a NZ merchant vessel and all merchant vessels to this day are notorious for flying different flags at different times for a wide variety of reasons.

It's totally baffling to me that NZ has been looking for a new flag to distinguish itself from AUZ for years and yet they have a ready baked alternative that, frankly, looks much better IMO. Just change the official flag to the Red Ensign!

Thank you for this. Never knew the red ensign existed till now!

The Southern cross.... missing a star for some reason.

And now the next question is why they didn't use the lasered-eye kiwi as their new flag >:(

The Dutch never made land here only circled the islands

Umm... Australian Southern Cross includes the 5th star of the constellation ("Epsilon" or "Ginan"). The seven pointed star (on the left and not part of the cross) represents the six states that federated to form Australia and one point for all the territories. Note that the New Zealand Southern Cross does not include Epsilon / Ginan. The red ensigns may also be flown on land in specifically nautical settings (e.g. maritime rescue organisations, lighthouses, sailor's refuges, etcetera - not that many of these still exist - most, like manned lighthouses and sailor's refuges, no longer exist)

About a decade ago, nz had a referendum regards changing the national flag.

The 1st part of the referendum offered 3 different colour choices of the same design. The second part was the most popular colour combo vs the existing flag. The existing flag won.

Quiter honestly, the whole thing was flawed before it got off the ground.

To begin, there were no flag experts on the selection panel... but there were two "modern design" experts. Also, the design selected certainly had character but sadly no connection with anything or anyone in the country.

IMHO The best design would have been a kiwi on a black background. Black is a traditional colour in nz and people around the world already call us kiwis anyway.

The problem in NZ is that there are many distinct groups of people. So, finding a flag that represents all of them is always going to be a mission and a half.

The United Tribes Flag is the only officially gazetted flag on NZ since 1834.

what's that falas name who cut down the flag, I forgot 🤔

Just a note don't say Ma oori please. That is NOT how its pronounced

From the way you said Abel Tasman I have to conclude that you are Dutch

New Zealand's national flag is the blue ensign. It is usually flown over official and other, mainly non-military, establishments and venues on land. The red ensign, which you have called the "old flag" is still very much current. It is used by merchant vessels and other civilian, sea-going vessels and certain naval posts overland. There is also a white ensign, which is flown on naval and other government-owned, sea-going vessels during daylight hours in peacetime. In wartime, naval vessels fly the white ensign day and night. New Zealand also has an air force ensign and a civil air ensign that display a light blue background.

Your pronunciations are misinformed.

There is one more official NZ flag: the White Ensign for military ships. And then there is also the Laser Kiwi flag.

The ancestors of the Maori arrived and slaughtered the original indigenous peoples.

please make a video on maori flags and or abrigonal flags, i am a kiwi citizen in nz who wants to fly all 3 flags maori, united tribes, and official flags.

Ironically Canada's flags were reveresed until the Maple Leaf. The flag of Canada was the Red Duster and the flag of the Merchant Navy and the Jack for the Royal Canadian Navy was the Blue Duster.

Regarding Ensigns
First off, it is pronounced "en-sin", in the old English tradition of not pronouncing every letter because it's a lazy language.
Flags are naval in origin, so ensigns were often used to denote who owned the ship or what port it was from. The ensign flew from the stern of the ship when underway, otherwise national colours could be flown there.
The British had three naval ensigns - the White, the Blue, and the Red. Originally this was to denote the three fleets or Squadrons, but it seems there were changes in precedence and roles, depending upon tastes of whomever was First Sea Lord or dynastic changes. The squadrons were Home Waters and the North Atlantic, The South Seas, and the Mediterranean. Hence admirals were distinguished as Admiral of the Blue or Admiral of the White, etc. By the mid 18th century,
The Red ensign is arguably the first of the three solid field flags - with or without cantons, and was widely adopted for use by merchantmen and then as the de facto colonial flag in overseas territory. This latter use is more likely due to it's availability than anything else.
Nelson used the White Ensign at Trafalgar, and this lead to it's adoption as the standard naval ensign for the entire Royal Navy by 1864. The blue was reserved for Government Departments such as Customs and other services on land or at sea. The Red was designated as purely for Merchant use, although it was very often co-opted for private use on boats and ships throughout the commonwealth.
Many Commonwealth countries adopted the Red or Blue Ensigns for their flags, as we see in the video for New Zealand. In Canada, it was never the official flag, but it's widespread use and the desire to have something unique to the Dominion prompted the Canadian Government to adopt it with the dominion's heraldic shield for official use on buildings ships, and offices in 1923 by an order in council. The official flag however was still the Flag of Union, and remained so until the adoption of the "Maple Leaf" emblem in 1965.

OMG so much BS in this video

New Zealand’s blue flag signifies being surrounded water, and leaving the sangria red of empire.

"The New Zealand Red Ensign, adopted in 1903, is based on the British Red Ensign. The Union Jack appears in the first quarter, and the Southern Cross, represented by four five-pointed white stars, is featured in the fly. This flag was flown on New Zealand merchant ships during both world wars." I mean there is no need to be so confusing.

Until more recent timethe royal navy had 3 squadrons one flew the red, theother the blue and finally the white ensign.

In recent times after 1805 and the battle of trafalgar it wS decided that the red ensign should be merchant navy, the white ensign should be royal navy and the blues to go to other government vessels like royal fleet auxilliary service, police, and minjstry of defence.
Hope it helos

Give it a miss.

From NEW ZEALAND!!!!! LOVE SEEING OUR COUNTRY

also all of your maori pronunciation is wrong i know you know this but we don't replace or t for d so listening to you try to pronounce our language just makes me cringe i know its not your fault

you left out the New Zealand White Ensign that is used by the Royal New Zealand Navy

Your really not sure of anything are you. Lot's of this is inaccurate. I'm from New Zealand mate. Talk about something you know a little about maybe....

The flag of the united tribes is interesting for two main reasons, it represented the main group of Maori the Europeans had settlers, primarily Ngapuhi and I believe a few other norther iwi and hapu. It also is interesting as it represents a declaration of independence there united tribes wrote, something that still is important today as it is a point of debate on if the united tribes ever gave up sovereignty to the crown

Maritme vs non-maritime flag, end of story.

It got replaced by the laser kiwi flag, but then replaced by the blue background because the laser kiwi was just too badass.

I’m sorry but the way you say waitangi.

Wai - tang - ee

You pronounced the T and a D. So it sounded like waiDangy.

Not trying to be rude, its just the worst pronunciation of Waitangi I’ve ever heard and I only wish to correct.

Plus the forming of the NZ navy there is a white ensign too

Australia also had a red version until the 1950s

They should have used Fern leaf or something. It looks super cool (The one used by their Cricket team).

Interesting

Maybe before you make a history vid that others will think is true, on a country you know nothing about, you get your shit right🤣
Come on man ,dodos?
Ffs. Ever heard of google you donut?
Also maori adopted flags from the brits, you make it sound as though they flew their own before colonisation. Fail

kia ora for that mr hilbert

Pray do tell of the Maori flags.

I appreciate you're having a good go at Maori pronunciation but I don't understand why you're pronouncing T's as D's... It's WaiTangi not WaiDangi... We don't have D's in our alphabet.

The ancestors that arrived in 1300 are the descendants of todays Maori?? Time travel? Are you sure about this?

I never heard of the Maori making flags.
Please tell us more.

In the 1966 movie, Grand Prix there is a shot of flags representing the driver’s nationalities at the starting line of one of the races. In that line up is the red duster. Since the movie was shot at actual F1 races, it always confused me as to why that particular flag was featured. I am still non the wiser.

People in New Zealand really wanna officially change the name to Aotearoa when people pronounce it like that!

The Europeans arriving saved the Maori from extinction.

Them limeys what settle them island

It's still a British colonial flag like Australia's , not a flag of an independent country.