My Experience Debating Jordan Peterson - Alex O'Connor

Alex's attempt to compare explanations and defenses of stories from the Bible to explanations and defenses of physics is inept. Physics involves mountains of actual empirical evidence as the basis for the depth of understanding and the Bible is merely more story telling about story telling completely unmoored from any objectivity.

The fact that a question of defining what is a woman sparks so much controversy is evidence of cultural degradation of society.

These guys are so intelligent. I pray they get saved.

Omg, I’m so incredibly happy I stumbled upon this vid.. just finished watching the JP talk and was insanely frustrated listening to his intentional disingenuous attempts to never truly discuss the topics. The talking down, the “weave”, the insane pace in which he derails conversation, the arrogance in tone (“no one else understands all the literatures”) … absolutely painful to watch. I’m happy I wasn’t alone and to hear you guys echo some similar frustrations. I was starting to think it was just me! Lol

Jordan Peterson is not an honest broker. He talks and talks and talks without saying much that has any meaning. He's one of those guys who thinks the more you say, the more intelligent you are and that's not the case.

😂😂😂 It is interesting to realise that ever since our primitive ancestors learnt to turn their conflicted thoughts, fears, desires and grunts into words, speech and eventually complex written languages. They also unleashed their ability to lie, cheat, con, fool and deceive themselves and eachother ....and create, peddle and fight over every possible kind of corrupt, subjugating and self serving "master and minion" or "boss and minion" ponzi pyramid bullshit!

Always to con, indoctrinate, lever, fool or force others the bow down to them.... or some imaginary deranged juju gods or woowoo devils that don't exist!

All so those at the top can own, control, milk and screw others... Or build cults and empires to have power, authority and dominion over all they can!

Which continues to this day with the usual division. disparities, conflicts, artifice and bullshit!

The guy on the right is projecting a malicious or disingenuous intent onto Jordan Peterson because Peterson triggered him. Peterson is a moron but Alex is right that Jordan thinks of himself as having some real point, but also that he just has no interest in conveying it clearly.

Excellent discussion between Alex and Tyrion Lannister.

Can you 2 men get over the woman shit. We do know

this probably has a lot to do with jordans menal health issues

I love how they acknowledge how precise Peterson will become when he’s not trying to dodge a question and do the little song and dance word salad thing.

I can't understand how Alex deals with fake, ignorant, dangerous weirdos like Destiny and Peterson. I'm not sure it's useful but I respect Alex's self control

Who's in the blue shirt? How arrogant can one be? See you next Tuesday!

Alex doing the same hand jesters as peterson is hilarious

Well , let's not take too much away from Peterson . He's one of a kind . Answering a question with a question provokes thought .

For Peterson to accuse Destiny of arguing just to be right, is pure projection, as I’ve never heard Peterson say, I was wrong, and I’ve changed my opinion...
Just ain’t gonna happen !

Destiny been keeping aderall alive for years

Jordan Peterson always responds with a word salad; so many words, so little expressed. Ask him “what’s for dinner?” and you’ll likely get something far worse than: “The time for dinner is now because dinner time is happening. Dinner is happening because it needs to happen, and everyone will be making dinner. It is an exciting time that dinner is being made. And it will be the best chicken dinner ever.”

Destiny is such a brat. He is free to his opinion but the way he expresses it boils down to” I don’t like the way he answered the questions” and bad faith Betty rears her head too. I like Alex he treats people like genuine people.

i cant speak for peterson, but as a mythoogical reader of the bible who understands fundamentalist christianity (and what a huge portion of christianity is fundamentalist these days) he probably doesnt want to be declared a heretic by that group of influence...and he certainly would be if he definitively undermined the supposed historicity of the bible. (i get called a heretic regularly)

The reality is that everything is absolutely airy fairy. Our entire perceived existence is totally subjective, and even those things we think concrete are measured in abstract units of our own design, words of our own design, concepts of our own design, it's all just us on top of us in an infinite layer cake of bullshit.

The greatest delusion of all time is that we know anything "for real" about anything. The closest we can come to truth is understanding that we don't know anything, but we believe a great deal.

Our entire society is premised on imagination. Our greatest scientific theories are simply models of expected behavior from a pathetic cross section of reality. We've barely begun to scratch the surface of any given subject, and if you ask the experts they'll be the first to say, "Shit man, we really don't know anything... but it's pretty cool what we can do anyways!"

Logic is simply a play thing of the intelligent to avert madness. Science simply a tool to be used to be more comfortable in a deadly, terrifying universe. Religion simply a way to pretend it isn't all just chaos and darkness.

Embrace the screaming void of eternity. You will not escape it, for you came from it and to it you shall return.

That belt kills your credibility.

When did Alex interview 30 year old Steve Buschemi?

Your analogy about the quantum physicist being asked about objects being smashed together perfectly demonstrates why JP's dialogue style is so frustrating and ineffective for so many, and so dazzling for some. If you don't come down off your pedestal to engage with someone's question in the spirit that they have asked it, even if you take issue with or think your insight into the nature of the question is more important, then you are choosing not convey meaning reliably and efficiently. You may succeed in challenging the thinking behind the question some of the time, and the value of this is higher in some discussions than it is in others. But if you employ this all the time, then you obscure or avoid conveying any pertinent meaning at all. Of course, it is great to challenge the thinking behind a question, and sometimes reveal an underlying assumption or greater context, but meaningful discussion requires direct responses a lot of the time, and JP avoids this in a nauseating way, when it suits him, and far too often.

I hate how destiny says okay after every sentence

I think he does it mostly to obfuscate, but sometimes he just want to seem smart. And ususally he gets as lost in his "reasoning" as anyone listening.

I think many times Peterson is trying to understand why this question is important in this formulation to the one how asks it, and based on his assumption he either wants or doesn't want to answer that on the requested level

Peterson is not being an 'obscure-antist', he is an obfusticater.

Peterson is a pedant. 100%

Destiny is in it for the bloodsport of contrarianism. Personally I appreciate some of his discussions pretty much only for catharsis.

Destiny sating Peterson acuses him of arguing just to be right lol thats super accurate and exactly how I feel when watching Destiny. even on topics I agree with him on.

Now tye world needs Destiny jousting Jordan Peterson just to made it go full circle

Peterson no doubt is on the spectrum. He doesn't appear to be able to paraphrase depending on the listener

I can understand and appreciate Destiny's view here, but he's not accepting that when you choose to ask Peterson a question like that, he ISNT anybody else. He is Jordan Peterson, and he will answer in the way he does. Alex approaching it in that way is extremely patient and respectful and I seriously appreciate his efforts to understand how Peterson thinks.

He is an obsessed anticommunist, reminds me of a male Rant version

I'd love to watch this but not with dream lmao

Destiny's tongue is too big for his mouth 😛

I don’t know who the other guy speaking is (not Alex), but every time I see him he just seems so angry, defensive, and unwilling to alter his opinions. It really takes away from the value of the conversation. He so clearly despises JP as if it’s a personal attack on his own intelligence and it’s so distracting.

Peterson can’t answer a simple question about a material religious fact because he believes Jungian archetypes are “real”.

Wait I just come here, and first words I hear makes no sense and i leave it at that! Useless conversation and why?!

I can't work out whether Destiny is a bad listener, stupid or dishonest. I don't think it's all three?

Ask all religious people whether they believe in heaven and they will go there by living the life they've been told to live by religion and then tell me that its a different conversation to ask peterson whether he believes in a literal god vs global warming.

JP is a right wing christian nationalist grifter. To think that this guy has any interest in the deep truth of anything is beyond stupid.

U got to understand that every prophet's miracles confirm the miracles of the prophets that came before them and the existence of God. Jesus being the last it's not a coincidence, this was the will of God to provide irrefutable evidence of the scripture, it's not a coincidence the bible says "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." -Romans 10:9.
In other words, Peterson is being asked if he has faith enough to be saved. But Jesus also says in Matthew 17:20-21 "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
In other words, it's the kind of leap of faith Christians go to church every Sunday, baptize, read the bible every night, and pray every day for.

I don't believe Peterson is honest at all, except from the perspective of knowing what he needs to appear to believe in order to make money. He got famous based on a lie. He has never stopped driving towards money and influence.

The guest loves thinking of himself as an intellectual. And that’s where the problem lies.

Absolute desperation from the interviewer for Alex to confirm his preconceived notions.

Stop platforming this idiot. Destiny is so absolutely unintelligent, it’s as if he’s created by AI where the prompt was “make a guy who fakes intelligence by speaking fast and spewing word salad.” he’s ignorant, intolerant and irrelevant.

He's pedantic. Thats what they're trying to say. Peterson is endlessly pedantic. While it might be in his head profound, it comes off as disingenuous. That being said, if you cannot frame your deeply held beliefs in a cogent manner, you should not be engaging in debate of it.