GÖBEKLI TEPE REVELATIONS: Thoughts on 3 days at Göbekli Tepe.

hang on you say they aren't farmers but they are harvesting loads of beans, irrigating the fields, grinding seeds is it really a stretch to think that they were also planting some of what they harvest? if so how is that not farming?

You have to remember that these were built with stone, wood, bone and antler/horn only no metal. Could pre farming civilization really support such an enormous population.

It was said that there was no water on the site and no domestic too, well there must have been water there if people are living there plus it makes more sense who they got the work force. I understand it was deliberately buried was the domestic part deliberately buried too?

I’m very curious about whether or not any fibers have survived in the holes that seem to have been used to hang things across the rooms.
They would have needed quite a lot of line for those hangings and for the ladders, unless the ladders were pegged rather than lashed. And it seems like they would have needed a lot for lowering carved figures down and manipulating pillars and roof elements, too.

the first 10 minutes you gave no info just chattig and giggling with your finger in your mouth. boring... the microphones are overkill... would be better to show some pictures

the Atlanteans taught those butt-sniffing mofos how to make all of that shit.

I’m not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens.

Wish Egyptians would stop lying about the pyramids and the fact that they, the sumerians, the babylonians, shit even the people before them aren't responsible for giza.....

WONDERFUL!!! So much new information, without the sensation. Have they found any burials? Who were these people? Do they have any descendants? We need DNA studies. Can't wait to see your movie documentary. Thanks for your efforts!

They say it’s just a rock. I got my bag and my pack, thanks guys. ❤🗿🫡👍

Amazing stuff, so was this region an actual city as we would deem it nowadays?

Does anybody know if gobekli tepe was tested for Terra Preta.

Domestication of dogs happened between 14,000 & 29,000 years ago. And yes, they were used to protect grain from rodents. Certain breeds of Terriers were specifically bred for hunting vermin. Cats were attracted to the rodents around human settlements & basically domesticated themselves 😉 Dogs were first & I think horses were the last animal to be domesticated with cows, sheep & pigs inbetween.

I was so happy you showed us the surrounding domestic areas. It helped me to envision the larger site surrounding the main feature. Thank you.

Evidence is mounting that these ancient structures were functional production facilities. I hypothesize the places with the dudes carrying purses were narcotics labs. Follow the money baby.

Wow 11 minutes in and a morsel of info squeaks out?

Love the enthusiasm from two people who have seen so much . Only watching endless videos of different takes on the site almost makes you blasé about it untill you hear the guys enthuse about it and less "glamorous" aspects. Really enjoyed this. 👍

Is there no evidence at all for agriculture around Göbekli Tepe? If not, is it possible that the natural food / other resources they relied on eventually ran out, so they had to move on?

The center is perhaps a school for teaching the art of hunting, agriculture, and sociology. It was the gathering place for the children during the day and for entertainment in the evening for the adults. No one lived there, only the teachers came to offer their knowledge on everything from animal husbandry, anatomy, sociology, and every kind of art working that was known at the time. It was like a museum, library, and academy all in one. There would have been an abundance of tribes going through to observe and learn and maybe just get to know each other. If you had new knowledge, you brought it there to share. We know they studied the heavens to predict certain stars, equinoxes, and conjunctions. I think we will also discover they had music to share, dancing to enjoy and good beer to drink at the gatherings.

I'd be interested to know if the evidence of human settlement is thought to date back to the date of the T pillars etc approx 12,500years ago or if settlement came later on? I mean I'd expect the settlement artifacts to be older than the temple 🤔

I dont understand why there isnt an army of student archaeologists all out there being put to good work, for me it would be operation Time Team on steroids

Great podcast! Thanks for your close-up insights. Very interesting and look forward to hearing and seeing more at Megalithomania in May - Hugh

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences! I will never be able to see the sites for myself, and you are making it so real to me in your inimitable style! WHOOPEE!

Many thanks for the extra info on the Taştepe sites. It was really helpful that I had been to Göbeklitepe & Karanhantape a couple of months ago. Alas only from a tourists pov.
You guys didn't mention the tree at the top of the hill and its role in the discovery of GBT.
Note: Şanliurfa is pronounced Shanliurfa. Many locals just call it Urfa, and consider it the birth place of Abraham.
At Karahantepe, the statue of the man holding his phallus has been vovered by a large black box. It seems they are waiting to cover the site as they have done at GBT.
Having been to these sites I xan confirm your observation of the vastness of the terrain.
I wonder, very speculatively, about the connections of Taştepe sitrs with that of Çatalhuyuk. If it were the descendants of one culture that moved across the Anatolian plateau... and even later to Hattusa....
Certainly, it is an exciting time for Turkish archaeology.

I watched this episode with the original 'live chat' at the side. Saw a discussion start on changing 'hunter-gatherers' in different words to describe those people(s). I asked myself 'why?' If they got their food through hunting and gathering I think it's very clear to call them 'hunter-gatherers'.

Really enlightening - I follow other podcasters who recently visited GT, etc, not long after the earthquakes, and it seems Finds & Discoveries are coming thick & fast at these sites and the vail of time is being pushed back to reveal a truly rich and fascinating Past. How long before the stone infill around the T-Pillars is discounted as contemporaneous? I thought I had heard that plaster had been found in some places, and I'm guessing there was much more water around then than now. I do look forward to your film, as I'll never be able to get there now. Cats were very much a part of ancient Egypt, & they wouldn't have just appeared like that then, so I don't see why cats & dogs wouldn't have been around GT - look for gnawing evidence on those old bones! Thank you.

Splendid.

I wonder that with all this male imagery that these t - pillar structures were used for male initiation purposes. Thinking of aborigine rituals and in Africa . Just a thought.

Thank you. Watching and Listening from Alaska.

Has there been any estimations of population size? Also, has any human remains ever been found at the site?

Seldom do researchers ever mention the fact that contagious diseases or epidemics affecting the human population or wildlife may be a big factor in the abandonment of ancient villages.

Presumably the elevation of the site meant winds could often be a concern. The heavy stone entrance covers would prevent the loss of covers. Also instead of foxes, could these canine sculptures be of wolves.

As a lime and earth plasterer I found the section on stonework and decoration particularly interesting. One of my hobby horses is the idea that stone circles might have been decorated with the type of art now only surviving in caves. Also I do like the idea that the walls might have been plastered.

This is extremely boring. Not so much "revelations" as much as "reminiscing". Maybe do a more scientific focused discussion. You made a handful of random criticisms. No thing of substance though chaps. Sorry

I didn't realize Withers was also into archaeology.

the Pete and Dud of archaeology...

Strange to come across your podcast while I sit for making jewelry😅

A school friend of mine had a "pet fox", he was adorable BUT he stank!
Rupert, cats were domesticating humans 10,000 years ago in the fertile crescent. I started researching this last summer for a presentation for the academy where I work, unfortunately, they changed the theme and I never finished it, so I don't have the link to the archeological study, but I can say, beyond a shadow of doubt, there was an article published in Nature Journal called: How Cats Conquered the World (and a few Viking ships). That's where I found a lot of info on cats in the Fertile Crescent and the DNA results from archeological studies.

My mind is boggling at why they needed such heavy portal stones in timber rooves! Why not solid wooden planks? What were they keeping out? It is a risk, having something so heavy and so frequently used overhead, so why? There must be a logical reason. Thanks guys - keep it up!!!

Good heavens! Walls with broken tools, bowls, equipment in them! Right up there with our modern day earth houses - walls with old tyres, bottles, etc etc! So much for our advanced technology! Just wonderful!

Thank you Prehistory Guys. I will get there one day however your first impressions are a terrific description of true awe.

I still think Gobekli is a necropolis, just like the nearby Harran and Sogmatar necropolii.

You take the body ti the sacred enclosure for a ceremony, and then they are placed in the square rooms behind for three years, and then you collect the bones. That is why the square rooms have small T-pillars in them, because they are sacred soaces for the dead, not houses for the living.

Cities of the dead were big business in those days. Look at the Harran necropolis. Look at the Chaco Canyon necropolis in New Mexico.

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Did they find any fabrics? Or signs of it for making it? If you are busy with weeds to eat, why not use the rest of the plant for making other things? We live in a world of dispossables, and we are now busy to recycle and be more conscious of our resources, but I can't imagine the people in that era thought of discarting things just as easy as we do now. Love your channel!

great stuff guys once again. its all so exciting eek

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Great to get your impressions. Gathering those wild cereals was clearly important to these people, as well as hunting, fishing and gathering all the other wild food resources. Of which there were plenty, it seems. So. What were they doing with the grain? Why did they want to gather it? How were they processing it? It's a question that some archaeologists choose to ignore. I think it's time to get back to the Braidwood Debate and consider the potential for malting and making malt sugars, a delicious nutritious food resource in itself. And it's also the basis for a fermented cereal based alcoholic beverage: ale. There's a lot more to Gobekli Tepe (and the other sites) than this, however, and I'm really looking forward to hearing more of your insights into this amazing place.

The information you shared regarding the scale of the domestic buildings has left me awestruck !!! My mind is overflowing with beautiful thoughts of generations of people settling, struggling, thriving, destroying, creating, loving, feuding, and nonetheless living wholy in community with eachother while developing distict and colorful cultures to leave us traces of !! Its sublime in the truest sense of the word 😭

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