Biological Immortality by 2030: Social & Economic Implications + Some Predictions!

I used your video transcription to create a poem sumary of your video using GPT-4:

David Shapiro shares a tale,
Of immortality, will it prevail?
By 2030, Kurzweil claims,
Biological death, no longer remains.

Exponential rise of AI,
Nanotech, Quantum Computing, oh my,
Longevity escape velocity near,
An iPhone moment of medicine, we hear.

Social reactions, a divide,
Accept or reject, we must decide,
Economic impact, equality or not,
Innovation or stagnation, the human lot.

Living forever, hedonism or asceticism,
A balance we must find, beyond the schism,
In 200 years, war and disease quelled,
Communal living, population held.

In 2000 years, interstellar flight,
Humans adapt, to planets' plight,
Maybe we'll evolve, become new species,
Like Klingons or Vulcans, in the galaxies.

So join the conversation, the debate,
To live forever, is it our fate?
David's video, an exploration,
Of immortality, and its implications.

I think it's idiotic to think that death is good and sensible thing.

If we live forever we will have to leave the planet. It will get over crowded.

If we become Immortal

Better get rid of life ti.e appointment for judges.

For myself, my most memorable time in my life was my childhood years. Every thing was new and exciting. Now I’m 50. If given a chance for a long life, I’d have to think long and hard about it. The memories of deceased loved ones would still be there. But you can’t bring them back. Technology, no matter how cool it is when new, looses its exciting qualities in a short amount of time. For instance, microwaves, home computers and smartphones. I think a long lifespan of 200+yrs, you would eventually become bored with living.

I think there would be a large portion of people, such as introverts and homebodies, who wouldn't go for the constant partying even if they had a 20-year-old body...

Faster than light travel violates causality and therefore is impossible.

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Ayyy Warhammer 40k... Nice.

Dragon Age... Nice. 👍

Please immortality I will even become a researcher just to help that exist

The best thing immortality🔥=answers to our life and everything.

The thing about this idea is that sooner or later people will get bored of living their current life.

I genuinely believe we will get to a point where people will prefer some form of reincarnation, where their consciousness is transferred into a new body… without any of their memories.

Basically willingly starting from scratch.

When discussing the cost of longevity, insulin price gouging comes to mind. I'm sure it's possible to make it accessible, but it would enormously benefit a few people to not do that.

I just saw the video. Something interesting to add here. 23andMe was started by Anne Wojcicki who is the ex wife of Sergey Brin, they were married when it started. Shortly after 23andMe came out Google started something called Calico. When they started it the CEO was named, Art Levinson. At the time he was on the board of Directors of Roche, Apple, and Google. Upon the death of Steve Jobs he was picked to be the Chairman of the Board of Apple. He still runs Calico, and the mission is.. "to harness advanced technologies and model systems to increase our understanding of the biology that controls human aging." What do you think the chances are that Google saw something in the DNA gathered from 23andMe that got Art to run Calico. I'm not in the industry anymore but a bunch of little biotechs in the bay area would quietly acquired, and we used to joke it was Calico.

Spanish Empire never enslaved anybody, that was a thing of the english.
American spanish aboriginals were full citicens of the Empire.

What happens to all the psychopaths? There are still a lot of them. Many highly disrupting the common good through history and presently. The Xi, Putin, Trumps, the Hitlers of the world. Do we let them live forever? How about murderers and rapist? Should they be entitled to these breakthroughs in longevity?

Humans are preparing to become pointless, sounds like.

If any of you come back to this video in 2000 years and find that any of these predictions have aged poorly, I hope that, at least, you will have aged well.

Whats up with the Ai Art women in every slide?

Regarding equal society, in Roddenberry's vision of Star Trek, society became free with 2 main sectors of tech: replicators and transporters. These two things is what makes it a successful technocracy because replicators decentralizes and democratized the means of production, and instant travel solves housing because it allows us to spread and live in otherwise unsustainable places. Then there are secondary technologies that are nice but not necessary like warp drives which only spreads the wealth and equality more so than not.

So for a hopeful future with immortality, i would say we need to focus on transportation and replicator-like tech and make those things fundamental to society

According to ChatGPT, population growth has been a major contributor to the current unsustainable climate, environment and resource use. If the wirkd population had stayed under 2 billion, we would not be facing the climate change catastrophe we are facing. Most of the population growth of the past hundred years or so has been due to more people living linger as opposed to women having more children. Significantly increasing longevity could accerate the point at which the planet cannot sustainably support the population. That might encourage some people to conclude that the best way to save the planet is to dramatically reduce the world population.

"Grandma why dont you happily stop breathing yourself so mom can have your house" possible conversations of the future.

well, am sure the body is just a biosuit. It will be just fashion in the future and might not even be the current humanoid form. will be cybernetic.

if there's a way to make backup of brain/consciousness that allow for risk taking w/o true death, that would allow for experimentation.

The governments will charge us millions we can't pay for crimes we didn't commit. Then they'll throw us in the mines until our impossible debts are paid. Forever young and strong and hard at work for the Man.

I’m sure this is for elites only not the rest of us.

In thinking that one deserves to be immortal, there is an adoration of the self that is generally well aligned with modern liberal culture / ethos.

I dont think this video explored the depths of this. Everything we do is based on death, the paradigm shift will shift everything

I hope it will help with biodiversity as well, bringing back animals that went extinct.

Went to UCLA for microbiology, and now looking back 15 years later I can confidently concur that we’re gotta climb that wall this decade. AGI/Q* will help to model an entire human cell, and once we’re there, it’s game over, New Era dawns 🤗🤗🤗

I would definitely choose immortality but Unless we can get passed our differences and reach an equilibrium of wealth and equality on a global scale, it would be hell on earth to allow everyone to become immortal
Quality of life for everyone must be obtained

Lol it’s going to be a monster show, not a good use of scientific resources. Who would want this? Mega capitalist, that’s who. This should be outlawed. Seriously

When I clicked on this video, I made many assumptions on what I was in for, but it turned out to be a lot more interesting and balanced then I thought. But this is all conceptual still. We have no clue what this immortality will look like. Will it be immortality, or eternal youth? I'm not totally opposed to it, but before this happens, we need some serious introspection first. I for one, think that in order for humanity to really thrive in the future, we need a sort of synthesis between technology and ancient wisdom. The ancients weren't stupid, they understood life better then we do in some respects. We are currently in this weird transitory stage, where we live in a technological world, but we don't know how to navigate it properly yet, psychologically speaking. In my opinion at least. Hedonism for example, it's more rampant then ever, and I personally think it's had less then desirable effects. So we have to think about this way, if our goal is to become a space-faring and prosperous civilization, what values do we have to adopt in order to get us there? Endless pleasure? Surely not. Conflict and challenges are how we grow. Nothing in life worth doing is pleasurable in an immediate sense. Only in the long run. Just food for thought. Regardless, the content of this video was a lot of wishful thinking and best case scenarios, things hardly ever go to plan.

"nobody's saying "let's bring back tuberculosis'" lmaoooooo 🤣

They use the sensors in the toilets in the NFL right now

In Kim Stanley Robinson's "Mars Trilogy" immortality was referred to as a plague. I tend to agree.

Medicine to reset dopamine receptors yeah!

It absolutely won't be initially cheap and Widley available, like most new medical technology and it is initially likely to be expensive.

It is unlikely that life extension will immediately be available to everyone who wants it. More likely it will be a major inequality between rich and poor. You already see a major inequality to access to current medical technology. So I suspect only the very wealth will reach escape velocity in this generation. I agree the social reaction will be split but over generations as it becomes more available, but will initially be impacted by the inequality to access to the technology.

Don't hold your breath for this ...

Very interesting channel which I've only stumbled across recently. As a doctor, I agree with David in this video that it is the confluence of numerous different treatments (pills, injections, implants or otherwise) that will be tailored to each person which prevents disease progression and thus delays death for that person (perhaps inevitably).

However, even optimistically, even if AGI is achieved next year, mass implementation of AGI into medical research will take some time as guidelines and economics of AGI implementation has to be sorted out.

Then, once AGI starts working on treatments, each breakthrough in the molecular or design phase must then bear out findings in animal models, and then human trials, etc. Each step may take several years
Even after that, the economics and delivery of each different type of treatment will be such that it will be quite expensive initially and improve cost over time as the treatment is optimised further and further.

Apart from research candidates, the average person would probably see downstream effects of this only starting in 7 years at the earliest if the above time lines hold true.

I think taking into account regulatory, safety, ethical and economicl hurdles, these factors will delay roll-out of health innovations to the masses by a further 10-20 years compared to what is suggested in the video.
Not enough to matter to the human race, but enough to personally impact some who are watching this video if therapies are not delivered in time.

if we figure out time dilation (manipulating gravity), we'd cheat but sending terraforming planets into fast moving fields where 2000 years of terraforming could be completed in 20 years. send intelligent machines and highly compensated researchers into those fields to advance scientific breakthroughs that take decades to complete in a matter of months or just a few years

I love the fact that he can admit he might be wrong it makes me respect him alot but i hope we can become imortal tho

I will be 62 in 2030. I would be OK with the notion of "-freezing" at that age, biologically, for a decade or so until age reversing treatments came available.

I don't have the imagination to seriously contemplate all the existential realities of living forever, but even extending our current lives by a few decades would provide some really life altering decisions. I'm 48 years old. What if we were to develop some protocol that makes fasting far easier than it is now, and other cellular and hormonal regeneration bioregulators that would allow humans to start living to even 150 years old? My first thoughts are I'd probably want to go back to school even at 55 years old and take up a brand new career in medicine or even a university professor. Humans need mental stimulation and a reason to get up in the morning no matter what so yeah I'd parlay my current retirement savings into a base to launch an entire new area of study and a new career.

You can find a lot of exploration of these ideas in fantasy too. I've read a lot of JRR Tolkien's work, and he goes deep into the topics of death and immortality, as the fundamental dichotomy between the races of Men and Elves. As a WW1 veteran, he was intimately acquainted with death, and as a student of mythology he had a lot of preexisting concepts of immortal beings to draw on.

Do you believe that is time to bring the Venus Project to the conversations again?

It would be great thing to achieve! But I highly doubt that we will even achieve radical life extension (add +/- 50 years to existing healthy lifespan) in the next decade or so let alone biological immortality. But I'm also pretty sure if we do achieve it won't be cheap!