The Harsh Truth About the GOAT Debate

MJ all the way he paved the road

Jordan is the GOAT and Lebron isn’t for the following 3 reasons:

1. Jordan was finals MVP for all 6 of his championships,
2. Jordan is considered the GOAT by the majority of his peers,
3. Jordan has never expressed he is the GOAT

This is actually so dumb.

A three-peat is required to even be in the conversation. Playing for a long time and breaking records from playing a shit ton more games do not make someone great. What makes them great is winning. Dominate and win. At the end of the day, how many of those seasons led to a win? How many seasons did you dominate? How well did you defend that championship? No three-peat? No goat.

What he has to do? Well for one, he should stop talking for him self that he is a GOAT.... And even then he will still be behind Wilt, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and MJ. And it remains to be seen whether he will be behind the joker also when this one finishes his career.

MIKE IS THE GOAT, NIGGAS 🐐

A goat never choke never flops never cheat.
His play defines him and the impact he has when he's on court.
James never have that.
One more thing if James can beat Jordan's achievements on or before 11 seasons then I would say we have a goat in town.
James is now 21 seasons and still can't beat jordan and still team toxic as ever main reason why Kyrie wanted to be trade as soon as possible and insulting james as LeGm and also the reason why the warriors don't want him even if he wanted so badly to play with steph.
He is only goat i know that most nba teams dont want.

I'm pretty sure that the medical care for players has improved a lot since MJs legacy.

List of All-Stars that Lebron has played with: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Mo Williams, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, Russell Westbrook, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo…10 Total All-Stars

List of All-Stars that MJ played with: Scottie Pippen…just one All-Star


And they still say Lebron needs more help 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

I will say lebron should have way more accolades but people just stopped voting for him in MVP and such bc they he won them 4 years straight

Respectfully 6 rings is more than 4

for me for lebron speaks also, that he got his rings for 3 different teams, other like mike. also that he had 10 finals in a row. just one player who is longer dominant, than the warriors dynasty. crazy if you think about that!

goats dont flop!

Listen someone had to set the bar. Micheal set it. LeBron James is a wanna be. Back in the day it wasn’t like this

I think the only way LeBron can catch Jordan is if he wins 2 more finals. I agree with you that rings aren't everything but it's still one of the biggest things to take into account. Jordan has the greatest per game stats of all time. LeBron has the greatest all-time career stats. So you could argue either way which is better, the longevity of LeBron or the shorter but more dominant career of Jordan. The thing that clearly separates them though (and is the tie-breaker) is the finals and finals MVPs. If LeBron can match the 6 then we have an even debate and at that point I would crown LeBron just because the longevity to me would be more impressive.

Come on bro Micheal Jordan is the undisputed GOAT the thing is he average 30ppg back when it was a lot harder to score points in a game. he also has never choked in the playoffs and don't get me wrong LeBron James has had a lot of great playoff performances but there have been times where he has not shown up when it matters the most the 2007 and 2011 come to mind. Let's not forget that Jordan has accomplished more in 15 years then LeBron has in 20+years. Let's be honest if Micheal Jordan had the longevity that LeBron James has then he would shatter the all time scoring record and Let's not forget LeBron had a head start he came to the NBA straight outta highschool while Jordan had to play 3 years in college. LeBron James played in a weak ass Eastern Conference for most of his career while Jordan had a significantly harder road to the finals. And if you say that being 4-6 is more impressive then going 6-0 you are a damn liar. Jordan won all his championships with one team and only had 1 true Hall of Famer on his team which was Scottie Pippen while LeBron had to build superteams in order to get his rings he had Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Antony Davis that's 5 Hall of Fame worthy players.
It's not even close Jordan was, is, and will always be the GOAT.

Can you please compare great players with their longevity in the NBA to be equal.

Lebron needs to win 2 more rings to be goat.

I think about it like this: who would win in a 1v1 then we see who the overall better player is not cuz of states cuz of if they won or lost then consider the amount of rings or mvps they have and maybe we could see who the goat is (my sweet and glorious king la boo boo Lebron james

Who’s the best 1v1 player? After watching Kareem vs Dr J, or MJ vs Shaq, it’s clear it’s the big men that would dominate in 1v1. So how would a Shaq vs Tim Duncan look like? David Robinson vs LeBron?

Jordan never had the pressure of being better than jordan.

This is easily the best pre scoring record jordan vs Bron take out there. I am MJ for life but with everything LeBron has been able to due with the tools he was given makes him 1A.

the door for lebron is a longtime close ....

Personally, I think if you take the start time factor into, Lebron's case gets stronger. He stepped into the league as a highschool player and was immediately a top player. That being said you take those first 3 years of numbers out(when Jordan was developing in college comparatively) and those career averages swing to LeBron. So you might give Jordan more years, but his 18-21 numbers drag his averages down, or vice versa and LeBron gets a nice bump.

It’s crazy to me that Michael is close to LeBron’s stats but playing less overall.

There is only one GOAT -> Bird

Steroids are one hell of a thing. MJ - for that reason alone - will be the GOAT forever.

Lebron even not in top 20 in NBA history. Cannot win without super team. It is a fact!

My top 30 all time:


#30 David Robinson
#29 Charles Barkley
#28 Bill Walton
#27 Isiah Thomas
#26 John Stockton
#25 Dirk Nowitzki
#24 Giannis Antetokounmpo
#23 Nikola Jokić
#22 Dominique Wilkins
#21 Rick Barry
#20 Dwayne Wade
#19 Kevin Garnett
#18 John Havlicek
#17 Julius Erving
#16 Jerry West
#15 Moses Malone
#14 Bill Russell
#13 Oscar Robertson
#12 Kevin Durant
#11 Steph Curry
#10 Hakeem Olajuwon
#9 Tim Duncan
#8 Kobe Bryant
#7 Shaquille O’Neil
#6 Lebron James
#5 Magic Johnson
#4 Larry Bird
#3 Wilt Chamberlain
#2 Kareem Abdul Jabar
#1 Michael Jordan

My GOAT is MJ. But, you have to wonder if the Warriors did not happen. Lebron might have 7-8 chips already and there is no discussion already.

Jordan could take over the game ANYTIME HE WANTED. Lebron passes the ball when the game is on the line.

Lebron is da goat Kobe and curryare 2nd and 3rd mike is 4th or 5th

Lebron is the greatest player of all time, Michael jordan is the best player of all time.
its that simple.

There’s no right or wrong opinion of the goat. Everyone has their own greatest

The problem you have is that the game is now completely different. Le Bron scores from very easy plays that have near zero oposition. Mike was at war most of his career! Jordan will always be the GOAT unless the game changes back and someone can achieve more than what he did in that type of game.

Who's the dirtier player to do anything to win? You have that stat laying around? The Byron Russell push for the championship comes to mind LOL.

Lebron called himself the goat. Micheal never did...the people did...that's why Michael is the goat

If MJ went straight from HS to the NBA and didn't take those years off playing baseball he'd be right up there in longevity.

Idk why people bring up rings in the fist debate it’s a TEAM sport you can’t win them by yourself! Lebron is more talented than mj hands down the best basketball player ever

The problem with the G.O.A.T. debate is there are different definitions for "Greatest Of All Time". This video focused on the word "Greatest" and what that means.
I think the focus should be "All Time". There is no argument that Michael Jordan was the greatest of HIS time and LeBron was the greatest of HIS time. But if you could pluck any player from any time, and have them play each other, who would be the greatest?

You’re quite possibly the goat at basketball videos glad I subbed to your channel many years ago

Does community enrichment have a metric? Jordan chills with kids camps speaks at schools. Keeps a clean set of duds. He's that guy.

I think, for me, the biggest factor is that as a European I can say I know almost nothing about LeBron, he just hasn't had an impact in my home country. Jordan on the other hand had a huge impact here, when basketball season starts shops here in Ireland are selling bulls gear because of Jordan, their not selling gear for what ever team LeBron is part of. LeBron may be a living legend but he won't have the kind of global impact Jordan had.

Better on paper, better on the court, but more importantly made a better Space Jam movie..... MJ is the GOAT.

THere's no debate! Only LeBron fans thinks there's a debate!

I don’t really follow basketball all that much, however I do take an interest in this debate and am fairly knowledgeable on many things.
To put in simply, stats don’t lie, Lebron is infact the greatest of all time.
To put in in other terms it’s sorta like if I beat tiger woods in 2 seasons of golf, but he comes in second then wins 4 in a row I can’t be considered the goat. Lebron is not only dominant in his sport like Michael was but he’s done it for longer without dropping off a cliff in his abilities. You could be the best player in a season but if you can’t sustain it over multiple you can’t be the best. Plain and simple.