The Best Fighters Have Trained Traditional Martial Arts…

Tbh honest tony was a force to be reckoned with back in the day but his openness to taking damage against Khabib would've been exploited in a ground and pound. Probably would not tap to an ude garami. Maybe rear naked choke? By the last time were meant to fight he had already declined as proven against justin. His grappling would have been the challenging to Khabib. Shame it never happened

Conor mcgregor just used the stance 😭

Been dabbling in some Capoeira implementing strikes and some karate as well and i will my Muay Thai and over all MMA striking has some flavor and gone up and tricky and for grappling I’ve been judo on and off since a kid and looked into Japanese jiu-jistu as of recently definitely made my wrestling and BJJ better

Bro tried to sneak jiri 😂

Yeah but they also combined others as well

Wow the best fighters trained how to fight

Funny i do okinawan kenpo karate and jujitsu and boxing and Muay Thai and weightlifting

Very good viewpoint buddy, I really enjoyed this one!

What would be considered traditional martial arts anyways?

Uh all martial arts "traditional".
Boxing and Wrestling are as old or older than the Olympics.
And all cultures have a form of Boxing or Wrestling.

At which Point Martial art is considered "Traditional"?

UFC/MMA/BJJ are fraud
Useless sport

What karate style did you practice

Karate works 💪

Crazy good thumbnail 🎉

Been saying this for years. And the MMA world still has a way to go before it recognizes the value these arts have in the ring. It's not the techniques that don't work, it's that TMA stopped training to fight with them. If you actually train to fight with them you will find they're often MORE effective than most modern MMA techniques.

Great video

Mostly because they build more discipline...

Traditional: Boxing, wrestling. The best fighters trained in those. No Wing Chun practitioner is winning it all. No jeet kun do practitioner is doing it.

The entirety of mma greatness is built upon modern forms

Bushido... cringe

Love this ❤

No school like the Old Skewl.
Im just waiting for Chap Koon Do and Khong Chang to make a comeback. Some young whippersnapper will discover these arts and wrack up a bunch of wins. The Chap Punch wracked up a ton of wins.

This guy insults Muy Thai so much. Tradiotional martial arts is completely ineffective and a total fraud. Karate, Kung Fu Aikido etc. None of those work at all. In contrast to Muy Thai which consists of brutally hard and painful training. My shins are still painful after months of conditioning. Karate doesn't hurt at all. Because it doesn't prepare you for a fight! Next is the brutual constant fights every month. No traditional martial art does this!

And that's why they are totally useless. If you had trained Muy Thai instead you would have learned the basics of fighting and how to endure pain. It does hurt!!!

Than you, Muay thai is definitely a traditional asian martial art!!!

Boxing and wrestling are both traditional 😂

Most martial arts have very useful things to carry over to MMA

The issue is McDojos watering down everything

I agree with a lot that you've said and with things I disagree on I'm too lazy to talk about but there's this thing you said that I just have to disagree with and tell you about... in what world was Tony beating Khabib!?

Jiri proved to be trash against pereira 2x now so get him off this topic

The best guns have bullets

Makes sense, modern mma seems to be an incorporation of the best aspects of all the available martial arts, without compromising one's own style. There's a lot of nuance between and even within each martial art, that I doubt you wouldn't learn from cross-training.

GOAT Jones only trained wrestling and striking. Shove it.

seiryoku zenyo means maximum efficient use of energy

Bro, I do Kung Fu (tiger X dragon {changes animals} )

We have to stop using this term “traditional” martial arts. There’s nothing more traditional about arts like TKD or Karate than BJJ Muay Thai or wrestling

This ends up being so reductive and vacuous because the epistemic criteria for being a "traditional martial art" always consists in a specific set of semi-related stylistic characteristics (you know the ones) rather than in a history of belonging to an old(er?) and historically continuous system of thought and practice, which is what the designation, "traditional martial arts" necessarily implies. Properly applied, the term "traditional martial arts" necessarily includes more or less every major combative discipline / system widely practiced by both conventional and "niche" or "rare" mma fighters (like Wonderboy). There's a real - perhaps unintentional - Anglocentricity to this phenomenon as it positions forms of fighting that either developed and proliferated within the West or rose to distinct prominence with its own novel cultural identity in the Anglophone world as "modern" or "conventional" forms of fighting while relegating those both emanating from and maintaining a majority of their popular presence in Asia (and the simultaneity of these 2 aspects here is crucial) to the "traditional," which, in addition to commonly being described as outdated and flawed, plays on shop worn, psuedo-fetishistic stereotypes about things from that part of the world.

You see this constantly with Jiri; people glaze him as some stoic, mysterious samurai figure because he read a single book written by a swordsman from Feudal Japan and says/does the same types of "samurai" looking things that you'd expect characters to do in an episode of Cartoon Network's "Samurai Jack" when in fact he is just a weird, temperamentally peculiar and kind of quirky person with a penchant for the unconventional (to his detriment). There's actually nothing really characteristic of what you people imagine to be "traditional martial arts" about his style other than the most vacuous aesthetic aspects (the "semi-related stylistic characteristics" referenced in my opening paragraph) of what he does, like the way fights with his hands down and head up in the air (Deiveson Figueiredo fought like this too, and nobody referenced Bushido or screamed Bonzai! around him).

But more to the main point, the martial arts commonly placed in the "traditional" category are things like Judo, all the forms of Karate, Taekwando, sometimes Capoeira, Sanda, and I suppose other fringe-sounding ones that don't / haven't translate(d) well into success in MMA. Simply put, if you look at the history of the styles that aren't sorted into this category and then abide a proper definition of "traditional" and "martial art," you realize that boxing, kick boxing (which, esp in Japan, literally synthesized western boxing and standard forms of Karate), Muay Thai, Jujitsu (Jiu Jitsu), Sambo, all fit into this category to varying degrees.

Though it is clearly ancient, boxing, in its ancestral form, called Pugilism, began in its more recognizable form in 18th-century England. The In fact, the earliest recorded boxing match occurred in I believe 1681 and became very popular by the early 1700s. Judo, by contrast, was officially founded by Kanō Jigorō in 1882. Yet, Judo is regularly described as a more "traditional" martial art than boxing is even though its official "founding" as a tradition with a specific, recorded ethos and set of "dogmatic" techniques happened 201 years after the first historically recorded* bout of what was recognizably "pugilism."

Yet boxing, because it persists in the West, it's "modern." There are various reasons for this, but I suspect they are too beyond the interest / grasp of the typical MMA fan's attentional reach to get into. I'll leave it at that.

A lot of the problems with traditional martial arts is just the lack if efficiency towards goals and the building of bad habits. If you are a trained mma fighter, you might be able to integrate ideas from traditional martial arts to give you an edge but if you have only trained tradition martial arts you would probably lose in an mma fight to someone who has spent way less time training but focused on an mma aimed combination of wrestling, kickboxing and bjj.

Shotokan is more like a parent to kyokushin than a brother... Mas oyama trained goju ryu then shotokan with a friend

Those judo guys you use as being huge likely are on steroids mate. Most judo practitioners ive seen are in good shape but not HUGE

Fun fact:boxing is older than kakyoshin karate

1. Muay thai, wing chun, judo are on my list

What style did you do?

What was the yuri fights name

Islam and Khabib have really amazing judo and credit it all the time

It's not the fact they used traditional martial arts. It's the fact they use anything that works. Being open minded and being able to perceive truth is half of all life.

Most traditional martial arts are not very old. Wrestling could be considered a traditional martial art, it is 15000 years old.

That’s one thing I love about judo , at first I started because it was the closest thing to wrestling ( since my high school or college didn’t have wrestling ) , I wanted to get really good at takedowns since it’s my favorite part of fighting , The submissions are pretty good too. But yeah I started to enjoy judo a lot also because of the discipline they have , as well as the culture of respect they have within the sport , you train together and also help eachother out and show respect before and after every round of randori (sparring) .

id say wrestling is traditional too, wrestling has been around since before christ

I m Taekowndo Hope to get To mma with time

Eric Paulson and Greg Nelson, rose coach both are JKD teachers the former was 2x mma champion and was going to compete in ufc 1before the gracies told him he can't compete. He is also coaches brock Lerner and Kevin Lee who featured in your video

Judos core philosophy "Seiryoku zenyo" has nothing to do with "damage" not sure how you got that idea?? Seiryoku zenyo is the philosophy of having maximum efficiency of action and thought to acheive a goal. This goal can be anything, even "damage", but that has never been the point of judo. In fact judos founder jigoro kano openly favored controlling a person over damaging or injuring them. Anyways, just a nitpick about the misinterpretation of judo, but otherwise interesting video. Also technically wrestling is the most traditional martial art lol. existed in every culture for as long as homo sapiens has existed, and logically could have existed in every species of human before and concurrent with homo sapiens.