What makes a narcissist become a psychopath?

Hi Dr. Ramani,
Have you done a video on malignant narcissists and the difference between them and psychopaths? This video was about whether a narc can turn into a psychopath but I’m struggling to differentiate between narcissists and psychopaths (my parents) Thank you as always for helping me see things and have the courage to change my feelings and thinking. I’m forever grateful.❤

Psychopaths are born.

If psychopaths are born, then the egg comes before the chicken. Narcissistic people seem to be damaged from nature and nurture. That means that the chicken comes before the egg.

Dr. Ramani, you mentioned that psychopaths and narcissists have completely different types of childhoods or present with different characteristics in their childhoods. Can you go into that and possibly do a video? Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom and experience with us.

My ex is extremely narcissistic. Blamed me for everything while denying any wrongdoing on his part. He was so good at manipulating friends and family and even my friends and family. after years of abuse, I finally got out and got to the point he couldn't even hide this side of himself from his family. They were incredulous while I was more used to his jekyll side than his nice side. He continues to stalk me despite being broken up for about 3 years and is now having delusions and extreme paranoia. His own family, the ones that defended him for years aren't even buying into his claim that I am to blame for everything but he maintains fantasy world and fantasy image he worked so hard at maintaining for so long. He's even went as far as to call our child and tell her I'm somewhere engaging in illegal activities when I'm actually sitting right next to her. He hears things and believes people are following him. He's still able to maintain some ability to hide this side of himself whenever law enforcement or medical staff are near. Fooling them into believing he is perfectly normal.

Are there any non criminal psychopaths in the public eye?

Your books are excellent, truly a treasure. I've red and listened to a number of professionals and you are indeed the most accurate and perfectly articulated on these subjects. I think if narcissist would dare to get therapy with you, they'd probably have better chances to become slightly more evolved hence less hateful so it'd be easier for them to get what they want.

Dr Ramani How to distinguish an addicted narc from an addicted Psychopath?! my emdr therapist says that the narc i was dealing with is either a psychopath or a narc who became psychopathic in his behaviour because of all his addictions to hard drugs and alcohol (and what not…) You didnt cover the influence of drugs n alcohol on a narc and psychopath even though there’s a high correlation between it and has a big influence on certain parts of the brain and hence behaviour and the level of danger ⚠️ 😢. Its been a real struggle for me to figure out if I was dealing with a psychopath or not. Im out six months now thank you 🙏🏻 could you cover the topic difference addicted narc or addicted psychopath .

My therapist said I an lucky to be alive and it scares the hell out of me. Esp since being a drunk asshole is different from a drugged sadistic psychopath with no remorse but an immense capacity to “thrive and seem normal” even when intoxicated. Still give me the chills

I used to think I was a narcissist. Maybe I was, but I changed. It took me dating a narcissist to learn that I wasn’t. I can’t stand them. I was a psychopath. Many years later I am converted to a normal-ish person. I’m now successful, single, close to my family. You called it 😅 People are calling it sigma male now but I think that’s different

Absolutely! Extreme Childhood abuse

They are scary dor a Female. I pray ge gets help.When yhey try to attack abuse and or kill you and bludgeon you.

The answer is no. Psychopaths are born.

Yes I think they can! i just experienced it today! He got extremely crazy on me today and put hands on me, shoving me

Psychopaths can go to therapy and narcissists typically do not. Psychopaths can get emotional empathy but it’s not automatic and requires effort. Psychopaths are predators by wiring. They are usually interesting people with piercing locked eyes. The US president prior toGeorge W Bush is suspected to be a psychopath

My gf is a narcissist and psychpath...

All psychopaths are narcissistic, but not all narcissists are psychopathic.

Wow. What Dr. R said about them ending up in prison ...after 2 years of watching Dr. R. and Dr. Carter, i came to realize the ex- narc is, in fact, a Malignant-cover narc. . Dr. C said rhey become more & more violent and to Run not walk away!
Well, after 9 yrs of all the abuse & the physical violence was escalating quickly,
He will be arrested and put into prison -(!!!!!!) as soon as the rape kit comes back from the laboratory.
And he laughed, that night after he made it happen .. and said " i do what i want and no one will ever believe you ..."
Hmm.
Guess what?
Yeah, loser they did. It's in the hands of rhe STATE POLICE now. Enjoy being initiated into prison culture 😂😂😂😂😂

After watching your videos, i came to believe there is no difference, if anything, narcissists seems worse, anyhow those people will do the same damage imo.

Although I didn't realise it at the time, I had a brief relationship with a grandiose narcissist thirty years ago. I found the emotional rollercoaster of being lovebombed, then devalued, then lovebombed again, utterly devastating. I fortunately walked away quite quickly, feeling that I was turning my back on the man of my dreams. However, once I started to recover, I became completely revulsed by charm. The neglectful narcissist has little overt charm. Maybe this is the kind of back story that can make the neglectful narcissist appear to be a healthy option.

Dr Ramani I always watch you and your hair is beautiful natural like that I love it ❤

Thank you for your videos! Can you do a video on parallel parenting with a psychopathic narcissist who is bipolar mixed with schizophrenia? I am currently involved with this and it is unbearable and impossible to navigate. Thank you for your time.

I'm always blown away by Dr Ramani's level of and articulation of: knowledge in psychology.

what do you think of a narcissitic husband who asked me to go to the edge of a cliff and also drove our car to the edge of cliff? He made me recently take out life insurance, highly suspicious to me. He shows some rage tendencies and full of high conflict personality. I did see him charm other women, possible hookers. He said that he had seen an orgy. What do you think?

Dr. Ramani, while you always look so very beautiful in every video, with it with out make up. I just wanted to tell you that you look extra beautiful in this video. Have a wonderful day!

Currently going thru a divorce after 20 years with a narcissist. 20 years ago much less up until recently there wasn't info out there regarding Narcissistic behavior. Only recently did I randomly come across Dr. Romani. Since finding her I've been watching at least 5 videos daily. I cry I relate and am in disbelief of how this amazing woman amazing doctor describes in detail almost to a tee what I am and have endured. Except that most videos describe leaving a Narc rather than the narc leaving someone for the new supply.
I've been so unsuccessful in finding counseling with doctors or anyone experienced with Narcissistic Abuse. I found sites recommending finding a lawyer with experience with Narcissistic people with no luck in that as well. Well of course my options were limited when my narc took away my access to any financial means. So that's awesome! Lol!
I can't explain enough how thankful I am not only for the videos and knowledge but for Dr. Romani's truly deep understanding and knowledge on this matter. As a victim of narc abuse at an older age( 50ish ) I have yet to encounter anyone in my life who knew or understood narcs and narc abuse. For the first time in my life I the feeling that omg someone actually gets and understands how bad it really is and the trauma behind it.
When I met my narc I was 30 full of life and thriving! I was strong & independent! A USMC vet with an amazing career. By the 7th year of this 20year union the life was sucked out of me. I was a shell of a person who had ECT treatments for the major depression I had. I don't know why I stayed or maybe I could give you a ton of excuses but Dr. Romani shed light to why I did. I became that woman that I saw in life that I couldn't understand why she put up with it, I became the woman I said I would never be. I became the woman everyone talked about saying it was my fault I stayed.
Thank you Dr. Romani for these videos and sharing you're knowledge and compassion. As soon as my narc allows me some $$ or the court grants me $$, lol! I'll be signing up for everything you have to offer.

I have a question. Will a 25 year old narcissist evolve and become smarter and more narcissist by the time, hes say, 50? Do they worsen with age? My husband is 26. He's a horrible human already. His poor parents are getting taken advantage of already. I want to know how to help them!! How can I help his parents?

Narcissistic compulsive lying bpd. ..the evil that I and our kids have had to deal with ..jail ,crime ,emotional psychological cruelty...day one back to non contact
What is someone who makes there own rules when they do rock up even tho years of absence ..what about when they decide actively decide to hurt there own family

"It takes a fair amount of energy to be an asshole." And when they're exhausted from wearing their mask for too long, they'll lash out at you.

Narcissists are those that idolise and want to be Patrick Bateman ie an exaggerated hollywood portrayal of a psychopath.

My toxic ex used to play GTA on Xbox and I could see the joy and happiness on his face when he was killing people on this video game. It was actually kind of scary. When someone would kill his character on the video game he would start screaming and yelling and throwing things but when he was killing people he was happy

I really appreciate your videos. My dad and sister have grandiose NPD and guess what? Lol 2 of my ex lovers have grandiose NPD. I’ve been thinking of seeing a therapist for the narcissistic abuse. Ive gone no contact with all the narcissists in my life for some time now but I’m now starting to realizing the abuse and behaviors I need to unlearn. Thank you for your work and dedication to studying NPD.

I would say yes .
I believe psychopathy is progressive like alcoholism.

Maybe but I think psychopaths are just that way.

Narcs are basically emotionally unstable, childish, easily offended psychopaths.

There are people that I internally question. Are they just emotionally immature which is burdensome, or are they not capable of caring because I don't understand how they think they can get away with acting so self absorbed

Mine talks about kidnapping children and sexually abusing them I was hit it the head during sex and raped one night while sleeping I’m out now and he is back with his partner of 13 years I’m not sure what to do about him he claims the talk about children is fantasy but I don’t know

Can a child be a narcissist?

Psychopaths are born that way. It’s genetic. Antisocial personality disorder can develop by circumstance

How about tripping and falling INTO the canyon and rolling across the dirt and rocks towards psychopathy?!😅😅😅😅

If either the Narcissist or Psychopath feel threatened by you I believe they can both become dangerous to your work life, social life, financial stability, reputation and even your physical health and safety. I feel these can be dangerous personality types to interact with and must be treated with caution ALWAYS!

YES!!!!!

Still trying to figure out my wife? > 96% on NPD scale test, 82 Psychopathy on MMPI2? But leaning more NPD with the 78 psych asthenia

I'm thinking yes, narcissists can become psychopaths.

Is it possible that some psychopaths managed to hide their psychopathy to the point where they appear to be simply narcissistic, but are capable of much more nefarious things?

I have also talked to therapist who believe that borderline personality is possibly when somebody has more than one cluster B personality, and manages to hide some traits, it appears that they don’t meet the criteria of any single one.

Um yes I feel that they are

A good example is micky milkovichs dad from shameless

I think we just saw that nationally over the past 7 years...yep, I think a malignant narcissist can tip over to psychopathy given sufficient pressure...