Advent Messenger Andy Roman Addresses the Issues Facing Adventism.

Christ said that man should step down so he should step down these people are chasing money and bring the world into our church

Maybe Ron Kelly’s daughter could become Michigan’s new conference president…

Brother, where can I get the original, complete (2-3 hr.) recording from Sunday's meeting at the VSDA church? I greatly appreciate the commentary but want to hear it in full context for myself. I sent an email this morning to the MI Conference Executive Committee affirming Pastor Kelly's reinstatement as Senior Pastor of VSDA and asking for an appropriate meeting and process for Dr. Vine and anyone else affected by these decisions. I was unaware that this is coming from the Union (multiple ones) and GC. Didn't hear Division.

I am not surprised this is happening in our blessed church. I am only surprised it is happening so soon. Hence, I will accelerate my research on the underground church concept and probably attend the GC Session in July.

Let us remain faithful and realize, God the Father will finish the work. He will use His angels and laypersons in a way that brings glory and honor to Him and Him only.

""Also, I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, ' Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?' Then said I, 'Here I am Lord; send me.'"

May the Lord use this sinful, frail person that I am to His glory.

My question about this is if the MC officials acted on their own or if they took instructions from those in “leadership” higher up? There seems to be some indications of this with the restitution Ps Vine was ordered to pay…

I think Conrad and Ron Kelly should defy the band and just keep preaching. Let the Village church and others support them. They will preach and we will support them.

I think Conrad and Ron Kelly should defy the band and just keep preaching. Let the Village church and others support them. They will preach and we will support them.

We saw much the same thing happen in 1888. Christ our righteousness was rejected and the two men and Mrs. White were spoken against so much so that one man left in a short time and the other man in the end wen't off the mark. In the early 19 hundreds Mrs. White said the GC was no longer following the lead of God and should be disband. Looks like once again she was 100% right.

Andy Roman should stick with independent ministries like Nougasse and Henriques. James is a hypocrite. He is a conference supporter, and has supported all their wrongs. He has never called out the conference, but exploited the issues for monetary gains/click baits

Whose Spirit is leading our leadership?? It's evident that not God's.Since ah long time now but to be more specific 2013, 2014--------2019-----2022gc session popery was evident in the leadership of Ted Wilson and the delegates were (Stupified) since then God is revealing to his ppl through these conflicts that he has the reign in his hand we must take our stance individually and be collective in spirit.thats God's Church.

“Even so, come Lord Jesus!”

This is truly the end and can you imagine that it will only get worse!

I am not shocked by the mismanagement of the MI conference or with any conference for that matter, as I am again disappointed and saddened.

There is a syndicate behind all this. The solution is simple. Village church can afford to hire pastor kelley as thier church pastor

They fail in major crises because they neglect the minor ones. They pray and hope that God will resolve these issues without anyone being accountable or responsible.

Do you have any good ideas on how to protest? Do I write to the GC?

Off shoot ministry. What is that?

‘You are a bully’ is just name calling.

The cancel culture has been around a long time in our church. It happened to me 25 years ago.
Called an agent of Satan, familiy treated with hostility, smear campaign of my name nation wide in our church.

If we fail to achieve unity, be right yourself. Never doing anything in the spirit of defiance. This is God's counsel through His messenger.

Martin Luther or Leader of apostasy....how easy are we deceived!

A PAPAL BULL has been issued against Pastor Vine by the GC

This situation is not only hurting members but I pray and the realization here also can cause members to leave the S.D.A church completely.

Conrad says this will set a precedent. The precedent is that an extremely well known, respected person can be canceled who was in no way heretical. THE METHODOLOGY HAS LONG PRECEDENT IN THE CHURCH. This same procedure has been used thousands of times over decades. Many well known independents never had their day in court. If they did, the pressure on the board was extreme. The leadership has gone so far as to lock the doors of churches.
BETWEEN NOW AND GC, A THOROUGH REVIEW OF CHURCH DISCIPLINE NEEDS TO OCCUR. CASES NEED TO BE REEXAMINED. LEADERSHIP MUST BE CALLED INTO ACCOUNT. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS NEEDS TO BE CHANGE THE RULES THAT ALLOW LEADERSHIP TO SUPPRESS THE REAL ISSUES OF THE CHURCH. BTW, was no one but me embarrassed by the communist style voting at the last GC? The "unanimity" would've made the Soviet Union envious.

If either Ron or Conrad were nominated, the established leaders would attempt to move heaven and earth to prevent the delegates establish their will. That the constituency leads the church is a fiction.

Almost 20 years ago a personal friend was pushed out because he did not think a local church SS superintendent should wear earrings in the pulpit. He didn't assert that she had no right to wear them, only don't wear them in pulpit. She complained to the conference and he was asked to "look for a 'call'" He has spent more a decade than as a missionary in one of the most difficult fields without support of the corporate church.

Demanding "reparations" is astounding. The GC has made it impossible for Conrad to do his job which is encouraging a missionary spirit, recruiting loyal members for frontline missions, and raising funds to support them. They owe HIM reparations. Any harm they may perceive is due to their own unbiblical actions.

Great discussion and thanks for elightening us.

I agree with Dr Conrad Vine speech. I pray God continue to bless him in spreading his word.

I am ashamed of our leaders. This is an ungodly act by the Michigan Conference. Scheming and lying are two things God hates. These men have lost their fear of God and are putting their souls in peril. Shame on Elder Jim Mischief and his cohorts. I tell you the recording angels are taking notes.

Cody is talking out both sides of his mouth. That’s what I see.

Let us reason together. Follow the money. Who was getting something, inside or outside of the church, to push a health mandate on us? I am not SDA, but I have followed Pastor Ron Kelly, and Conrad Vine. And find this unbelievable that leadership would go after the Truth. No one should be coerced into a medical mandate, or any other government mandate for that matter. What next? Coerced into Sunday worship? This was a test. The leaders have failed. They love the world over the Truth.

Did you know that the Michigan Conference already met again this week and voted to stay the course (fire Ron Kelly)?

They are making an example out of Vine and Kelly. We will come after you if you don't speak what we say. The message is clear. What will the people of God due? Bend and follow the beast? Or stand for the Truth.

We saw during COVID, what the stance of the conference was going to be?And very few churches kept going at risk of defying the conference's orders... The conference must obey gov't rules. We God's people are told to disobey it and stand true to God like Daniel and his friends. The question is just how long do we stand with government orders?And when is it time to dare to be a Daniel?

Praise God he has raised up these men who speak the truth. God will not let their voices to be quenched. I so miss Conrad Vines Sermons and Ron Kelley's as well. This censorship is the same as what we will be facing in the coming days. I believe this too is preparation and training for God's People. We truly can see the control of the enemy in God's church. Every decision will help us determine who's side we are on. Like what was spoken of here on this channel, we need to be firm in the truth and let the Holy Spirit and not man to lead us. We must not follow the traditons of man but the commandments of God. Jesus is coming soon. Praise the Lord! We are praying for all the watchmen and these Great Leaders God Almighty has raised up for these troublesome last days.

Agree with Ptr. Roman that the VSDA issue is a matter of concern for all Adventists around the world. God bless Ptr. Kelly and Dr. Vine. Thank you Ptr. James and Ptr. Andy for your ministry.

The ways of the world is in the church; Cronyism is the Beast mode, sugar coat it all you want.
The church ways aught to be truth and light.

Elder Andy, your argument is legit and bible base, whats going on is expected as seen in Bible and SOP, more will come and even worst. These SDA leaders who Ban and Fire they will not be the one to finish the PRESENT TRUTH, the WHOLE TRUTH not as cowards. Ps James need to address the whole situation on his own without using videos here and there to hide behind. STAND LIKE THE BRAVE!!!!!!. Thanks Elder Andy.

I am beyond confused with the so called leaders & conferences. No transparency, hiding behind things, cancel culture all the way. The audacity they have to try to say Conrad cannot even talk or pray with folk in their homes. Who do they think they are. They are on a Rome mission, pure & simple.

The Villiage church should withold tithe till Pastor Kelly is reinstated to his position there.

I absolutely believe everything that Conrad said! He was right on every point!
As far as present truth goes, you’re correct when you say it is hard to find a pastor that preaches it. Andrew Henriques is one of the few.

Did you guys see Ivor Myers post today? I feel like it’s towards your channel pastor James and others alike… let us know what you think!

Remember the poem by Martin Niemoller?? First they came for the Jews and I did not speak up because I wasn't a Jew... then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. We have to stand up now

All your tithes that you all are giving to the conference are going to the Jesuit (Jesuit in the sda conference). I am so glad that i left the sda church many years ago. I am in the independent sda church.

To God be the glory for people who want to be faithful to God’s words and Spirit of prophecy. God bless you guys.

Transitioned! You mean forcefully removed, don't you? Sad! This is not going to end well for these conference leaders.

Thank Conrad Vine and Pastor Kelly for their faithfulness during trial. Is there an email to show support for or a petition to sign? I have been praying for all involved.

AMEN - 50 minutes in and what he says is 100%. The church base is the power. The church manual states it very clearly. The church Business Meeting dictates to the church board.
If the churches of the Michigan Conference were to hold business meetings, to vote whether the members support OR have lost confidence in the Michigan Conference president. A seperate vote also for the same regarding the Executive Committee.
The outcome of the BM dictates to the Board to send a letter of support or rejection.
IF THE CONSENSUS (ie majority) VOTE AGAINST - Then the president and/or executive committee are under pressure to step down - IF THEY DO NOT, then the Union has no option but to intervene and remove the president and/or executive committee.
Brothers and sister, the power is in the hands of every church and member in the Michigan conference.

DOES IT WORK? YES IT DOES!

How do I know this? The GC statement on vaccination that accepts peer review science has been rejected by more than 20 churches and NOW A CONFERENCE HAS WRITTEN A LETTER OF REJECTION (actually 2 conferences have now opposed the statement).

Pastoe James I appreciated your interview with Andy Roman, it made so much sense .
But there is just one thing that bothered me,
It was when you promoted Andrew Henriques.
This man spends his time tearing down the church more than anything else, even to a point of calling it essentially Babylon, and its time to leave it. This you and Pastor Olatunji both said he was going overboard, leading people away from the SDA church rather than helping the cause not long ago. Why is he a good guy now?
Also I would never promote Andrew Henriques as having "good meat" to hear, as you said, because he Promotes 2 in the Godhead not 3!!
This has long been his stance, I have friends that have left our local church because of this false doctrine he teaches, and joined his Saved to Serve church denomination. He's a wolf in sheeps clothing.

May God have mercy on those conferences leaders it's pure wickedness. I Pray that they will repent.

1 Corinthians 3:11. When the fundamental belief of the Seventh-day Adventist church is no longer built there, I will leave the and join that church.
2 Timothy 2:15, When you want decide to determine how the tithe should be used, you must first recognize that you are have breached one of your Baptismal vows.
If you no longer believe that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is God's remnant Church, you are obligated to leave, as you are admonished others to leave Babylon.

The spirit of domination is extending to the presidents of our conferences. If a man is sanguine of his own powers and seeks to exercise dominion over his brethren, feeling that he is invested with authority to make his will the ruling power, the best and only safe course is to remove him, lest great harm be done, and he lose his own soul and imperil the souls of others. "All ye are brethren." [Matthew 23:8.] This disposition to lord it over God's heritage will cause a reaction unless these men change their course. Those in authority should manifest the Spirit of Christ. They should deal as He would deal with every case that requires attention. They should go weighted with the Holy Spirit. A man's position does not make him one jot or tittle greater in the sight of God; it is character alone that God values. 10LtMs, Lt 55, 1895, par.