Solving the Symmetrical Egyptian Sculpture Enigma

All you need is a center point, string and angle

So the argument is that they did this with bronze tools and cut into exceptionally hard stone and still managed to achieve mirror like copies. Modern sculptors will be aware of such a tool and yet since it's invention not one has shown how it would be possible to create anything similar to this. I'd say it's one thing to approximate the shape of a stature for a Roman tourist, quite another to mirror complex curves where the source for the copy is right next to the copy and inviting investigation of any mistakes - of which of course there are none. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe that there is a cutting technology that we have yet to discover, perhaps steel blades, who's existence have since long ago rusted away.

LoL Dude, stop, just stop with this absurd nonsense.
These folks could quarry some of the largest and hardest stones known to mankind, transport them hundreds or even thousand of miles over all sorts of terrain, cut/carve/sculpt them to a very high degree of precision, elevate them to crazy heights, some of the finishes on the stone work have been known to have gone through a high heat/vitrification process and/or polishing to perfection!
Many of these ancient sites and sculptures we can't even replicate today with with all of the technological advances and modern tools/equipment at our disposal.
So the ancients could do all of the above (with unknow technology), but they used a point machine for their symmetry / measuring?
PS. I wouldn't be using the word "solving" in your title.

Not sure whether this was mentioned or implied, but couldn't the master or original source just be a real person? I mean if they could copy a statue using this method then why couldn't they copy a live person?

Ancient forgery is a thing 😎

You solved nothing. They probably used advandced measurement systems.

Any chance you could do a vid on moon (non) landing... im assuming youve gone down that worn hole and hoping you are highly skeptical

I really like your videos because you always approach things without bias , but you should really speak with more engineers and machine experts. Any engineer or actual scientist I’ve heard talk about the ancient world is more than convinced of an advanced civilization. While all on the side of mainstream archeology claim it’s impossible. Seems pretty clear to me who has more credibility.

What the debunkers dont understand, since most of them don't have strong backgrounds in making things, is not JUST the idea that you can't get such precision, symmetry and perfection by having a million super-patient craftsmen with copper chisels, but that the METROLOGY TO MEASURE YOUR WORK to create such things, in and of itself was an advanced technology that was lost until the last few hundred years

This is a refreshing approach 👍 I probably disagree with most of the stuff you believe, but I really like the way you are presenting your view. The reason why people like me think Graham Hancock is a grifter is because of how careful he is with his choice of words. "if we define a pyramid as a hill made of rocks.." (or whatever that quote was) etc . Plus the guy wrote a book about the face on mars. And I don't think academics are out to get him like he thinks, so there is that. No one seems to have a problem with the guy traveling the world looking for extinct animals, but he doesn't refer to academics as arrogant fools constantly, while relying on their work for all his work, so it might be because he's not a very pleasant person. I agree with you that more data is great, but when those guys say stuff like "the pyramids were built with manipulation of gravity" you can see why they are taken less seriously.

Wood forms are easily shaped to "blueprint" specs for stone shaping, and these wood forms were used as negatives as well to "mold" the stone

Hey buddy, I just found your channel a week ago. I just wanted to say, I really appreciate what you're doing. Thank you and God bless.

There are ways to replicate things at different sizes, Look at a pantograph. It's not outside the realm of possibility that these devices were used in ancient times, it's just a few levers to extend simple movements.

Having managed a Department at a multi-national leading engineering and testing corp with Material science labs, I can advise that you get what you pay for.

I find the Vase study pretty cool for a layman’s level study for internet, but understand it was not conducted as hard science.

I also know “statistically” one subject test is not representative of much of a reliable result that can be applied generally or sold as definitive evidence.

My suggestion is that multiple vases would need to be studied for the data to have almost any significance and what ever lab doing the study be accredited, judged proficient in the analysis technique used, and use ASTM standards or other consensus based standards in the study.

I am aware of no published peer reviewed paper flushing out any opportunities for improvement and do believe a higher standard of approach would add value to the study.

My contribution to your efforts on this matter Dan, was to discuss your prowess with Ben in the Green room as he was chilling after he presented at CS24. I recommended he review your stuff. That is how I used my one on one time with Ben.

Have fun at CS 25 and my offer to you stands.

What a lot of people don't appreciate is the fact, that between the old and middle kingdom where over 4 centuries of civil war, also the transition from pre-dynastic to dynastic was all but peaceful. Metals have been rather rare in Egypt. Every metal objects they would have found and not understood, would have been melted down and reused. That's why metal artifacts are very rate and I think that's why the stone vases survived. Aside from being totally badass and cool, they where useless. Roman glas was ubiquitous but almost none survived the middle ages because it was ground down to make pigments and enamel. It took us 1400 years to return to the roman level of technology and we still don't understand some of it.
And one very important fact: You can not be more precise than what you can measure. Even with set point devises you can not achieve a higher precision than what you can see and feel. 1/10mm at best and curvature is out of the question as is flatness.

I believe templates were involved with construction whether the templates were made I out of wood or plaster or both up for debate

Did our IQs just drop suddenly?
how do you explain the circle protocol? In Rose granite. 1000 ton blocks transported 500 miles over mountains, scoop marks at Aswan? And all over Egypt drill and saw marks through the hardest elements on the planet everywhere in Egypt,. Incorporating the blueprint designs of the universe into the statues and temples ,the Fibonacci series, pie, the golden ratio, the flower of life.

If you keep this up, you're going to make a mockery of, and a lot of enemies, in both the mainstream and the alternative movement. The mainstream are protecting their investment in a system. Almost everyone in the alternative community is attempting to prove a hypothesis, which is anti scientific. And then there is you Dan. Just a regular guy looking for the truth, no ego, using the scientific method to lead you wherever it may. Fucking legend. Keep up the good work. 🎉

Regardless of how we can think of ways they might have done it, I think we can all agree some of it is down right miraculous, even by modern standards. No '-ist' would disagree..

..let's focus on that for a while, just a thought.

I can tell you exactly where you fail in this hypothesis. This technology duplicates things. Precise or not isn't the issue. The problem is creating the original for the pointing machine to copy. I went to school and was trained as a machinist. Even having the tech or the machines that are able to do precision work doesn't mean the work can be done. Only a select few of us in our class were able to do the projects to within a couple thousandths. Most were able to get to the 5 thousandths mark but keep in mind that these projects were no where near as complex as a face. People that aren't trained as a machinist have no idea one, that a couple thousandths is thinner than a human hair and two, the level of skill and tech it takes to make it happen.

Im pretty sure the major point of this video we can all agree on...

The ancients were far more talented and had somewhat better "technology" than they are given credit for.
It doesn't mean they had lasers. But it does mean they were many hundreds of years, if not millenia, more advanced (in rock sculpting and navigation at least,) than the mainstream is willing to admit

We can’t replicate the smoothness of their granite blocks Nor the means of + perfection of vase measurement today. If we could do it we would’ve proved it by now.
The ego-centric male dominated brains of y’all needa chill the f out & admit we aren’t the ‘greatest or smartest’. Even some other mammals today are living perfectly happy intrinsic lives and we depend on extrinsic means to survive which is lesser to them.

Hello Dan, I appreciate your contribution to a debate I rarely comment on.
Correct me if I am not accurate, but handcrafted work is rarely, if ever, symmetrical with the precision of moden computer controlled machinery. Hence, we have these debates. I do suggest someone cut some granite themselves, or better yet, chisle some for a better perspective of what may not be as likely. I suspect, most who actually cut or chisel granite or other harder stones would switch to alabaster, sandstone, marble, lime or other softer stones for convenience. This doesn't mean the artifacts don't exist since ancient precision has been confirmed by multiple qualified to measure the precision on these artifacts.
I consider it silly to focus on one set of artifacts in one part of the world, while there appear to be other precision and symmetry examples in other geographic locations. The Barabar cave example is good reference too, since there appears to be precise acoustic and volume considerations there, as well as symmetrical precision.
Question to Dan; how much granite or hard stones have you cut? I know it may not appear too relevant, just curious, since I feel the experiences changed my perception of what was likely possible with hand tools and time.
Hypethetical question: would diamond symetrically precise artifacts indicate elevated technology? I suggest if we found a good example in polki diamond, the debate could be over...but would likely just intensify.
Thank you again and peace.

Perhaps if we just understood how they cut the granite we wouldn't have to guess about the tools they used to plot.

Scanning the faces is important. If 2 faces can be found to be absolutely identical, that suggests some manufacturing process beyond a pointing machine. If two faces are found to be very similar but not truly identical, a pointing machine is a good explanation.
This doesn't account for the actual execution of the work but it's a great start.

One fixed Centerpoint and a string can make remarkable precise proportions. This is just not that difficult to do if you have the time.

I disagree with your entire premise. If any of the people who understand the precision think this tool would do this job, they would guess it might be a possibility. Now, use this tool and reproduce the tool marks and the precision on the same material that it is found on and maybe we can go there. Many of the people who think there were ancient civilizations with technology think so because they understand what they are finding and understand what it might take to do some of this stuff. Even the Egyptians claim there were people far ahead of what we 'know' about that were extremely advanced. I like the skepticism, but like many who try to debunk this stuff, the game has to be better. I am not deriding you either, just giving my opinion as someone who does believe there is far, far more to the story and we haven't even begun to figure all this out yet. There have been way to many times that humans, or closely related species, have had the time and resources to advance to great degrees, and, unfortunately for them, and us, the further we are from a natural existence, the easier it is to be knocked on our asses and back to the stone age with any disaster that happens, and we do know for a fact that those happen periodically.

I find it strange that there are so many sculptures and vases that are symmetrically phenomenal, but all the painted art is in primitive 2D.

Lets debunk the tittle. Please add a question mark after solved. Ancient Precision solved?

You may have a point on the pointer machine but I dint think its for sure the answer. I say that because the size of the large head is going to be hard to copy with modern toils ket aline with the copper chisel and pounding stone method. Yes, I believe they were ctaftsmen and at least as intelligent as we are, but we cant come up with a solution to satisfy all. There is also the matter of rotary tool mark found all over the plateau. That smacks of advanced tech for their time. Remember that it is for their time not for our time. That would be the biggest of all fights to answer the question if definition of high tech. Somebody was teaching these thing to less educated people the world over and since the ones being taught were not up to the level of the teachers, the knowledge was used and sliwly qas lost by lack of educational systems to carry the tech forward. That is why the older the artifacts the more precise they were. But lets not just confine this to Egypt but include South America and India in here. Especially India. The art work on their temples are very intricant and so plentiful that it would be hard to find that many masters to carve all of these things and to cut out the massive temples out of solid rock the way the shinx was. Looking at the accuracy of those things like the totally carved out caverns is beyond the ability of an unlimited number of workers with all if the needed skills. The are only so many artists with the ability to carve the thinker or David.

Explain the precision of the vases

Good onya Dan I dig the channel and your approach. Stay good Mate all the best.👍🇦🇺👍

Great points!!!

Thanks a lot for nuancing here ^^

A team of the most skilled stone masons in the whole kingdom could do it. Why not? They have done it all their lives and they are the best.

Never underestimate the skills of life long craftsmen. I can guarantee they had ways of doing things that were simply different then the way we do things. No hitech needed.

Whats the song in the intro? That womans voice is amazing to me.

This whole vase and precision argument is predicated on the assumption that the measurements taken are corrrect and valid.
The people presenting the "precision" argument have an agenda to sell; those who accept their agenda are doing so on faith.
The "precison" is to "a thousandth of an inch". Yet watching them doing the measuring, I can see the variation in their measurements. They are not even using their instruments correctly. Their "precision" claims are BS.
We have no confidence that these vases are from the antiquity claimed. Why are there only one or two of such vases, and are all of them made to the same standards? In the side streets around the pyramids such "precision" vases can be bought by the dozens, in any size and shape you want. With lugs and without.
The argument is presented that these vases would be "imposssible" in the modern age. This is nonsense. There are hundreds of workshops in China, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Vitenam, etc that make them in their thousands.
The statues are easily made. In Hanoi their are stores that sell them by the dozens, and are made in any size you want. You can buy a copy of "David" that would make Michaelangelo weep, in any size you want. The prices start at around $10 USD.
So this whole "ancient high technology" and "precison" argument is a great grift, but has very little basis in reality.

It's important to point out that the "Pointing" machine would also explain the symmetry in the faces. From a production standpoint, imagine making a life-size plaster model that you could scale up and down..... if you take the Pointing Machine's measurements off of only one side, you'd get that amazing symmetry on both sides of whatever you're carving into the stone. You're using the same reference point for both sides of the stone carving, so the finished product would have to be balanced left-to-right.

Don’t listen to this man. This is clearly a man who’s never cut a piece of granite. The only men you need to speak to are the ones who work these materials today. They will tell you how impossible this is. Myself being one of them

What is the point of this self-deluding nonsense if you have no idea how the original granite statues with their glass-like finish, and perfect symmetry, were created in the first place???

Apointing machine can tell you exactly WHERE the physical stone has to be, BUT it does not explain at all HOW the stone was actually carved.Ithink you're reaching Dan

Lost technology doesn't have to be crazy fantastical high technology.
Lost technology can simply be something like how they made Roman concrete

The vase scan team isn't claiming it's some Sci fi alien technology that made the vases, people are coming to their own conclusions on that, they're misinterpreting their words and they shouldn't be.

I figure the vases were just made by master workers who spent their entire lives perfecting their craft for ancient elites.
How they did it?? I dunno, but it's plausible.
Look at Leonardo da Vinci or any other of the famous Greek statue builders.

I've noticed that the tolerance and understanding of others is lacking.

Dan is roughly 2 🍄 sessions away from coming to the dark side, the high tech side. Younger Dryas reset us for sure. They found those vases in 15k year old graves dude.

many painters used a primitive projector likely davinci to think there were no genius people back in the day is foolish.

Time and space are functions of ones conceptual scheme, consciousness is the fundamental reality