Reputation in Fallout 3 vs Reputation in Fallout: New Vegas

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Gotta say... for all the positives of FNV...

People really like exaggerating tf out of a simple system in poor attempts to make them legendary...

I’ll never claim F3 is flawless or has a better system. But FNV literally allows you to nuke a nation and still allie with them. The reputation system really wasn’t all that great and is ripe for exploitation.

Well, time to brace for incoming hate reply’s.

Fallout 4: 💀

Wow, you bastard.

I wish Obsidian had more time to work on New Vegas, because the endings could’ve reflected the complex morality of the karma system, but ended up being: “ncr good, yes man and mr house neutral and legion bad”

Too bad new Vegas karma is shit compared to fallout 3, but at least they make factions reputation to compensate.

I mean yea but this isn’t a good example of the Karma system in FO3. It’s works better as a somewhat more over all system and your interaction with NPC. One of my current Fo3 characters is a mercanary thats middle of the road karma and does jobs for caps above morality. And 3 Dog make a note of this saying that I’d do anything for a pay check over the radio. Also slavers and other factions alike tolerate me.

Meanwhile sure NV system is more diverse but it’s also limited. I can go around fee side and Novak and smaller settlements. Brutally kill everyone by the NCR will still love me despite being a mass murder.

I think the best way would to combine the two. Have a general Karma meter to
Reflect your world wide general reputation, if you are a bad person or good and have specific faction relation on top of it.

I like how the NPC’s of rivet city have a unique line of dialogue after you come back from a killing spree. Something like “i’d kill you myself but the chief says forgive and forget”.

New Vegas: Your actions matter.
Fallout 3: Reputation? What's that?

Orbital strike the citadel

to be fair there was no witnesses

You gave water to surrendering enclave members.

Fo3 karma system: You're going to hell

Start Nv
Do lonesome road first
Nuke both ncr and legion
Maximum negitive reputation

Walk into the tops
Don't even kill Benny
Ncr and legion: We're sure it was an accident. Can we still be friends??? ❤

When I first played new vegas I used to hate the fact that you could never fully recover your reputation, but now I really like it and it makes a lot more sense for the world that you can only ever go back to a neutralish state after making a group hate you, so you can get them to stop attacking you but never actually forgive what you did in the past. Makes consequences for your actions feel really weighty instead of just being able to give water to a homeless guy and the universe being like "well you blew up a town, but you gave water to the homeless so your very good"

people dont get that Fallout 3 is bad as much as Fallout 4

I likw how he misses that bot like 6 times so he just gives up and leaves

"Reputation" in fallout 3 doesn't really exist other than good or bad karma basically sooooo weird comparison lol

Ну да.... Bethesda дураки что не сделали основную фракцию из нашего основного квеста которая нам помогает по ОСНОВНОМУ СЮЖЕТУ враждебной. Отстой.

Bro Bethesda with their drone NPCs that feel like sock puppets. And it's every game too, every game since Morrowind.

Most karma checks in fallout 3 can be circumvented with an equivalent skill/ perk check.
RL-3 can be obtained with barter
The scoundrel perk lets you enter places like Paradise falls with Good karma automatically
😅
The one thing I didn't like about New Vegas was they added all of the speech-related perks but almost none of them give you access to anything other than combat

Me: nukes both NCR and Legion before getting to Vegas so my reputation resets

I destroyed the Citadel after Broken Steel and surprisingly they didn't forgive me after waiting an hour.

Bethesda fundamentally misunderstood the BoS so fucking hard is laughable.
They are the most obsessive hoarders in the entire Fallout universe, they care for NO ONE but themselves, they LITERALLY BELIEVE it would be fine if everyone but them dies.

They are zealots of technology, but not by trying to understand it, they worship it to an unhealthy degree.

The enclave while they are the cartoonishly evil baddies which i didn't like in Fallout 2, at least they had their reasons, far crazier than the Master in F1 ever had but they had their reasons nonetheless, they serve as a critique of USA Imperialism.

But Bethesda instead believes the Enclave HAS to be cartoonishly evil always.

Fallout 3: Good guys collect fingers, Bad guys collect ears."

One time i killed everyone in Tempeny Tower and the next day i got there to trade some stuff and no one tried to to kill me.

The reputation is very good but it really sucks as soon as you get past the point of no return in Yes Man’s run. I’m beloved by the khans, recognized as a paladin and brother by the Brotherhood of Steel, and have perfectly good karma (I’m literally Jesus in fallout) but it all goes to waste in the end abd there’s no special treatment for players who did things like maybe the way I did.

I managed to get vilified by the Legion while wearing their own armor during the Nelson Hostage quest, and when everything was done, I took it off and my rep with the Legion is back to Merciful Thug, and it never goes back to Vilified when I put it back on, as if they will never see you as the same person twice unless you do it in front of them

I also like how with Merciful Thug, you can enter Legion camps no problem(Namely Cottonwood Cove), but you still get jumped by assasins

goober

And there is people existing speakint fallout 3 better...

I loved Fallout 3 and still do.

But whenever I first played NV it's depth amazed me, just plainly superior game.

I still hate the tenpenny tower quest because of the stupid karma system in fallout 3

new vegas: vaporizing a fiend is good karma, stealing their ammo to do it is evil tho

Karma system in both sucked.
A constant omnipresent god informing everyone of your deeds even when literally NO ONE is there to witness them is shit, sorry.

Karma system in both sucked.

This comment section truly encapsulates the Fallout Fandom as a whole.

New Vegas: piss off the Legion or NCR and they'll send hit squads after you irrespective of your karma. The only way to get rid of said hit squads is to improve your reputation with said faction.
Fallout 3: the game will randomly spawn mercenaries or rangers to hunt you down based solely on your karma...and if you kill said hit squad, you'll find a note on them confirming someone put out a hit on you, who even refer to you by name despite the fact they have no way of even knowing you by name, let alone what you look like. To emphasize: someone will send hit squads after you, some completely random guy they have never even personally met, just because they hate how much of a good two shoes/mustache twirling villain you are.
Keep in mind, you can come across your first hit squad within your first hour outside the Vault, which either means someone out there must REALLY hate your guts or Bethesda has the worldbuilding skills of a wet sand castle.

Fallout 3: You stole a spoon? Well, you better pray to whatever god will listen as you will be seeing them soon.

New Vegas upon leaving the Tops casino: You may have nuked the both of us, but we'll forgive you and wipe away any transgressions we have against you.

literally every bethesda fallout game feels like a missed opportunity for something cool. The inner enclave conflict of autumn vs eden would have been dope if you could side with autumn since he actually doesn't want to genocide the wasteland

Fallout New Vegas Karma: Oh? You massacred Goodsprings, Nipton, Novac, and even Aeroside for some reason for no reason? Ah its all good bro, you killed a few fiends.
Fo3 Karma: You… you blew up an entire fucking settlement you bastard. You are going to be hunted across the wasteland, you will always have eyes on your back- what the hell would your father think?

What's also interesting about NV reputation is from what I've seen the different factions will have different tolerance levels for actions against them. I killed so many Khans in my playthrough and they still never aggro'd to me by default, but as soon as you begin helping the NCR the Legion sends assassins after you every other night.

One of my favourite things about FNV reputation system is that positive and negative reputation is tracked separately. It’s possible to have 100% in both positive and negative reputation, meaning you can’t nuke a town and then just give water to a single beggar to outweigh it, it’s a really clever system that’s way ahead of it’s time, even now!

Fallout New Vegas: The road to hell is paved with good intentions, with no ‘good ending’, whatever you choose will reflect your own personal values.

Fallout 3: “Brotherhood is GOOD!” roared the monkey as his fellow monkeys cheered him on “Enclave is BAD! Be bad guy? NO! OOGA BOOGA OOGA BOOGAAAAAAAAA!”

It just works

Dont forget about the NCR and Legion reputation exploit when you first come to Vegas lmao, after meeting Benny and exiting The Tops, you will be greeted by NCR soldier and Vulpes from Legion, both of them informing that each faction leaders want to meet you, at this point, your bad reputation will be reseted to Neutral, no matter how bad you are towards them

That means as long you dont visit Vegas, you can complete Lonesome Road dlc first, nuke both factions, slaughter all of their camps, and just go to Vegas to complete the main quests, and they will act like the nuke never happened at all

"Good to see you."

New Vegas - Your misdeeds against this community will be a stain on your otherwise perfect record. Nothing can return you to the paragon they once knew you as.
3 - Oh, you killed every unnamed civilian in Rivet City? Just come back in a week and we're even.

I've been playing more Obsidian games lately. They seem to be dropping good/evil systems entirely and focusing more on having positive or negative reputation with various factions, which is probably a positive move since their factions are almost never all-good or all-evil.

reputation system in new vegas it's really good until it bugs and you loose everything and then you have to use the console to restore

Not sure why they maintained the regular karma system at all in New Vegas--they should have just removed it. IDK why but even when I sided with the legion and committed unspeakable acts of horror, it was hard to not end the game with good Karma. It didn't help that killing the always hostile Fiends resulted in Good Karma.

Like yeah, I totally killed the fiends out of a sense of altruism, it couldn't possibly have been out of sheer necessity.