Here We Go Again | Hornby L&MR 2nd Class Coach | Unboxing & Review

That chassis seems to be partially based on a banana...at each end there's a gap between the body and chassis that doesn't exist in the middle.

i am big proponent of diversity in reviews so yes always more wanted .)
just to reasonable degree i guess. whenver deals present themselves or el Cheapo strikes a deal is fine (apropriaate to the interest within comunity i supose is the bes way to call it?).

Era I is something i find very fascinating since well none of us were there to experience something that effectively built the modern civilisation. and it was quithe the birth - some people even fought against trains and such, likely for very good (al be it selfish) reasons.

And not just locomotives, the traction engines or even the steam road vehicles back then were mad monstrosities!

I do find it amusing that there must be someone in hornby who is philatelist pulling their collection out every now and than for model inspiration. And i think that person should be cheered for their work as clearly Hornby aint putting much resources behind the resarch.

Looks like a train from My Little Pony.

Sold out at Rails already

Have a feeling that when the replica first class carriage was built, an authentic chassis might not have been permitted on the railways of the time. For instance, I believe that dumb buffers would have not been allowed on a new vehicle. The builders would have needed the carriage to transportable by rail, so I don't blame them. I would have preferred Hornby to do a simpler but likely to be authentic chassis for the carriages, though.

To dismantle there are only two screws on the underside and the chassis will come away, do this to your entire collection, put the chassiss in one black bag and the bodies in another. Shake them up gently, then pick out a chassis and a body and re-assemble and hey presto you have a multi colour era 1 train😂😂

We Germans pay about 55£ for a single bogie coach, which is underscaled. They aren’t 1:87 but more like 1:93,5 in scale. Does this happen to you too?

Good review Sam. When will Hornby stop producing overpriced poo! Utter junk. If you have to review such misrepresentation could I suggest that the end sequence could be the total destruction of the model. Keep up the good work and shame on you Hornby.

All Hornby seem to be interested in (like so much in todays world) is profit, profit. profit. The old market adage of "pile them high and sell expensively". seems to apply. While well off modellers continue to purchase them Hornby will make a killing. I would love a rake of them but with the locomotive that will be over £500.00.

It's all ok ,at least there doing something sort of in the right direction sort of...😊😊

According to me, I think the waggon decent.But the price is comparatively high and then usual. They look descent but the couches that the third class and the first class are OK. But the second class and the The last coach that you have is not worth the value😅

Sam, How I wish I had seen this before spending my cash at the weekend on this and two other items from the same range. The couplings are dreadful! Being a 70 year old with imperfect eyesight actually fitting them and coupling them has proved to be a nightmare. I get that Hornby are trying to replicate reality but the cheap plastic links are almost useless. As for finding replacements, I have had no joy. Any help would be appreciated. I am running behind a Lion from another well known manufacturer. At this rate I shall be consigning to a siding as I cannot deal with trying to couple the darn things together. Annoyed? Not really, just frustrated that no-one thought this through which is typical.

How would the doors work? The position of the handles mean they would have to open out, so there would have to be hinges showing. Why are they such a strange shape? Because a postage stamp shows them that way. To just parrot what is obviously wrong is lazy.

Hi Sam. I have one of these, and it's not the lack of accuracy I dislike, it's those pink curtains - even if they match the stamp. Sounds like we'll have to agree to differ on the soft furnishings! Shame about Queen Adelaide's coach. I had pre-ordered one but haven't had an e-mail yet.

I for one really enjoy your reviews of the era 1 stock. They're so different from most models and really interesting to investigate. Can't say I'd ever buy this one myself but I really enjoyed the video!

Great Review Sam.
Yes, even if No One Asked, its Great you bother to Review Hornbys latest Rip Off..!

Because you Save People like me spending their $$$ or
£££ on a Horrid Little Hornby Cash Grab.

Seems like Hornby are trying to Dig themselves out of a Big Hole (Train Wreck.!😂). By Pushing UP the Price & Dropping the Quality..!

If it wasn't for your Reviews. I may have Splashed out some of my Limited Funds. On this Slapdash effort..!

So Sam, please keep doing what you do..!
I watch & hang out for Every Review..! You have saved me from Wasting my Aussie Dollars in the Past & No doubt will again..!

Thank you Sam from Someone, Somewhere in Oz. 🦘🦘🦘👍

Cheers All. 🤗

I could take the inaccuracy fine if it weren't for them incorporating the artistic licence from the stamp into genuinely impossible features like the curved doors which would be impossible to fit hinges to - and note that unlike the 1st and 3rd class coaches they've made, Hornby haven't even bothered to place hinges on this model.

Using the postage stamp drawing of the carriage would result in a wireless suspension. They seem to have an axle with no physical connection to the chassis.

it would be interesting to see all of your era 1 rolling stock coupled together in one big train

I think the price is the only real negative of the coach. I think the coach being slightly longer is fair enough, the artist who did the artwork for the stamps could have used their "artist license" and depicted the coaches not accurately but stylised. If these were supposed to have benches or some seating, then I doubt they'd be as small as depicted, but we can just assume.

It looks like a €5 toy train with that plastic shine, definitely not worth the price for me personally

"Not many will watch it"? C'mon Sam ... you do yourself a disservice. 11k views after 19hrs ain't half bad!!

Love your output ... there are many review channels, but only one Sam's Trains. Please do keep 'em coming!! 👍🙂

I love the era 1 got both lion and tiger trains can’t wait to get that carriage

I am sorry, but it seems to me that Rip Off Britain is alive and well and embodied by Hornby. I don't hold out much hope for their future unless they change dramatically and for the better.

I enjoy ALL your Videos Sam variety is the sice of life keep up the good work

I’d like to see Sam make them. Just to go with the other era 1 stuff he does.

To be fair, I think the stamp drawings lack certain details. I am sure the coaches did not have floating wheels etc. Unless exact drawings exist, I think the model is as good a guess, as the drawing on the stamp. My point is: The stamp drawing itself, does not look to be an exact representation, but more of a drawing in the style of its time. Not really a photo realistic drawing. Personally, I think it is perfectly okay to base the model on the replica coach design.

When you consider that you can pre-order the Bagnall diesel shunter from Hornby for £35....

Is the running board warped or is it the fit of the body? Overpriced, under-made and over here. Martin. (Thailand)

Hi Sam,
Indeed the stamp picture is based on a litograph from the 1830's by Crane. The stamp painting adds some more inaccuracy as to the shape of the luggage rack and the panelling. But even the odd rounded shape of the doors and sidewalls is found on the litograph . So it is not a total fantasy car.

Never knew this was chocolate and strawberry flavoured. They should make a cake out of this coach. I’d call them Coach Cakes.

30 quid - not bad. Oh, that's each, not a rake of three. Dang!

Sounds like 3d printing time. Make some more accurate versions with passengers, you and Mrs Trains in period costumes ofcourse.

I see that Hornby have cancelled their R40437 L&BR, No. 2 'Queen Adelaide's Saloon' which if anything potentially looked better than the one reviewed here. Great review Sam, on the point you make about them basing all these on a poor chassis is well made. Many thanks

Good to see everybody's favourite lavatorial Victorian making a comeback! And before you ask, I won't be buying any of the Hornby era 1 range, although my partner is a big fan of the Titfield Thunderbox, er, I mean Thunderbolt..

Humbug, what a load of garbage. I am all in favour for making realistic models of the historical trains that made it possible for travel today, BUT, given the inaccurate models that have been produced, I doubt that this does anything for posterity. I am glad that the manufacturers of N gauge trains have been sensible enough not to attempt to produce a model. As the rolling stock is mostly fictional, I would not put it past Hornby to produce a children’s go cart and try to pass that off as a 4th class carriage. With a suitable child looking scared white with fright. Lmao . Or maybe It’s an Allison bread van.

WOW ! 3rd Class can ride like the live stock, EXCEPT you can have a seat !

Is the chassis issue perhaps down to the early drawings just not capturing the detail very well?

By no means an expert, but would it not perhaps stand that each class coach was just build on top of the same chassis design, rather than designing a whole new chassis each time? If Hornby have gone down the route of choosing the recreation chassis, maybe there’s some logic in using that as the basis for template for the era 1 chassis.

Im just not sure using the stamp as the reference for size is also fair, given that the first class coach on the stamp also seems off when compared to more detailed drawings and paintings.

Agree that the price is too high, and that the paint job is a bit of a mess, but I’m just not sure the stamp should be used as the definitive reference point for the design. It seems like Hornby have used it as a starting point, but then perhaps summarised chassis and size based on the more detailed pictures of the other class coaches, and the the possible presumption that from a manufacturing logistics point of view, the same chassis may very well have been used in real life.

Hornby should have included 3 defecating passengers with this model to placed at the back of the layout with the already defecating Coachman. Then you would have 4 defecating figures that would all discharge faeces which would also attract flies 🪰🪰🪰🪰🪰🪰

Hornby just keep on getting it wrong. The L & M second-class coaches with roofs do NOT appear to have a luggage rail on the roof, and there isn't any seat for a guard - the steps on the model are therefore superfluous. Sam - you could do miles better, as you've shown with your goods waggons, so why not have a go at a more realistic second - or third-class coach?

Maybe the couplings could have a bar shape rather than the u shape to give the illusion of being pulled. The end wagon could have one which hangs down a good honest review though

Defficating Daniel must be Constipated Colin's twin brother! 💩💩🤣

Review aside, am I the only person who thinks that era 1 locomotives without crew figures look.... well, silly?

Hoe can hornby charge £34. For a cheap piece of rubbish? It looks awful and cheap.

Astounded that Hornsby can charge so much for so little!

Actually, Sam, these are very realistic indeed. The shape is a variation of the coaches designed by Sir Aethelred Pisp, the uncelebrated Puritan idiot, some time around 1835 (twenty five to seven, in real money), who had serious views about the mobility of poorer folk. Namely, they should stay put, and like it. His design for third class coaches was rejected for the simple reason that they had no floor, other than a very bendy plank, which could have led to deaths from people falling under the wheels. The design was rejected by George Stephenson, who punched Pisp in the face for even suggesting it.
The new Hornby coaches are based, rather loosely, on Pisp's later 'Seasick Six' coach, a six wheel effort, with Pisp still reckoning that the poor shouldn't travel, but if they did, it had to be uncomfortable, so they wouldn't want to do it too often.
The coach was a revolutionary design, in which the body was mounted on soft coil springs, and had six egg-shaped wheels, so it would buck and roll like a ship in a storm. The interior was shocking pink, purple, and bright green, with random pink spirals.
Robert Stephenson rode in one for 27 and a half feet at Pisp's test track in one of the more toilety parts of Liverpool. Stephenson was violently sick, and chased Pisp out of Liverpool, beating him around the head and neck with a broken bottle.
Someone at Hornby obviously found Pisp's scribble on a bit of butcher's paper, and made the sorry little cart you show here.
Tidy.
👍👍👍

I liked this passenger car. I can easily imagine an Era 1 passenger train looking like this. I guess Hornby is trying to cater to fictional model railroaders. But it won't justify the high price and lack of research.

Okay, based on a postage stamp which is itself broadly an 'artist's impression' of some early dodgy illustrations by draughtsmen who had no real idea what they were looking at. But you go, Hornbymen.
Now look at the chassis of the first-class coach on the same stamp. This too is NOTHING LIKE the reconstruction in the NRM and -- again -- nothing like the chassis Hornby provided for their model. One could go on... You do have to wonder if the people at Hornby were indulging in certain substances when they decided to follow this rather eccentric path.
On the other hand, all these early vehicles were constructed in small numbers by coach-builders who were used to producing horse-drawn carriages, so it's not inconceivable that there really were a few railway coaches that looked like this. So mayber as generic 'Era 1[ coaches these can be allowed to pass muster. At least the models have rigid 5-link coup;lings just as shown on the postage stamp.

I'm an era 1 enthusiast so please keep producing videos for any stock and your own projects. This looks very plasticy and pink curtains - really? And in second class? On a stamp I expect something that's romanticised. The doors are clearly impracticable. It's not as if information and drawings are completely lacking. Prior's book shows stock for the Manchester and Leeds railway and length varies from 13 feet to about 17, 16 feet being typical which woud make them about 6.8cm. As against the 8cm which seems to be Hornby's standard I don't regard it as that bad. But the price is just ridiculous, clearly Hornby maximising profits. A shame.

Bear in mind the artist may have never seen a train before and therefore it may be his interpretation.