What Was The Soviet Approach to Fighter Pilot Training

Very well researched and presented. Totally new information for this military aviation buff. Mid-sixties, many F-4 aircrew were convinced that RUSSIAN pilots were flying some of the MiG-17's and MiG-21's over North Viet Nam. Probably would be 'politically incorrect' for you to verify or deny those claims in a future video.

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This general idea has become a big focus for combined force utilization of 5th gen stealth fighters, and widely proposed for 6th gens, and 5th gen drones. Even though the F35 IIRC is the current largest internal capacity 5th gen stealth "fighter", it's RCS increases exponentially "just" when opening its bay, and it's still very little compared to its full non-stealth ("beast mode") loadout capacity, not to speak of what larger non-stealthy boom trucks can pack. So for larger strikes the idea is that a few stealth "fighters" or drones run point, does scouting, radar detection and target designation / acquisition. Then sends flightpath, radar, target data etc, muxed with satellite data, over datalink back to non stealthy missile trucks and bombers trailing after, often pretty far / BTH.

Stealth is obviously very favorable in general and when taking out single/few critical targets, but the value of platforms like the F35 is arguably much greater by virtue of the wild situational awareness data they are able gather, generate, fuse and provide for itself, networked with other same and closely similar platforms - and pretty much any other platform that is able to either receive it directly, or by having it relayed through an intermediary that can transcode it.

Napoleon must have left French limestone behind if there's such a thing as Russian Cognac. I recall the USS America left some of those F-5's behind in Thailand. ' saw Mig-15 & F-86 fight it out at Point Mugu airshow, very impressive, the Mig pilot was very good. Virtually the same thing happened with USAF Phantoms in Viet Nam compared to Mig-21s. My Squadron CO on the Nimitz told me about that F-14 flat spin VF-84 performed for the movie. He wouldn't allow our squadron in the movie. That was back in '77-'78, I didn't get to see it 'till the movie came out. I worked on Block 55, several Block 60's, and old Block 65 F-14's for awhile. Those were Block 120's in the movie🙂

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Fun piece to watch. Especially when backed with footage. 👍

Growing up in the cold war, I had a lot of respect for Soviet military prowess. Later, I learned I never had anything to worry about.

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During the Vietnamese War, American fighter units were facing their own difficulties with the entrenched dogma from "experts" in the field of air combat. Many of these so called experts didn't even think a gun would be necessary on new fighter aircraft, believing that the age of close in combat was a thing of the past. U.S. Air Force Col. Robin Olds was totally against this line of thought. He once recognized the need of being skilled at close air combat, once described by naval Commander and fighter ace Randall "Duke" Cunningham as the art of how to successfully win a knife fight in a telephone booth. Bucking this ill informed dogma, when he arrived to take command of the Eighth Tactical Fighter Wing, at Ubon Royal Thai Air Force Base, he immediately initiated an aggressive tactical doctrine which culminated in Operation Bolo, that drew in and decimated the NVAF Mig-21 interceptor force in January 1967. It is possible that this also had an effect on Soviet fighter doctrine at that time.

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The F-4 Phantoms did not suffer against the Mig-17s, it was the F-105.

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USA-These artillery shells are the size of honeydew melons
USSR-These honeydew melons are the size of artillery shells

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Very comprehensive video. Nicely done...

The phantoms in Vietnam were also hamstrung by limits and rules of engagement put in place by politicians, such as there only being 1 authorized air route into North Vietnam for all American aircraft, and the fact that they had to get close and get visual confirmation of nationality of aircraft before engagement, which isn't a bad thing, but it took the phantoms out of their Element and put them where the MiG aircraft we're at there best, it's no less an indictment of American fighter aviation but there are more factors than most people realize

Used to hang out with a couple of russian families in Nevada. Three of them had been through their airforce. They confirmed that russian pilot training started on gliders then went straight to jets. They had no propeller driven trainers: they didn't see the point. The idea was the gliders taught you how an aircraft moves through the air and what affects it. Then when you are ready to add an engine, why not just use the engine (ie jet) that you're gonna be flying anyways...?? Kinda logical. And cheaper overall.

Excellent video . Well produced material and very interesting.

Su-27 and MIG-29 turned up many years after F-15, F-16 thus the US were decades ahead in innovation and training.
It takes years to train a squadron up on all aspects of an aircraft and the mindset of soviet was ground control intercept.
AWACs support was severely lacking in soviet doctrine, US aircraft have and still have a proven track record.
Many over reactions of the west to so called superior soviet equipment spurred the west to design aircraft that where decades ahead of the soviets.

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Not convinced by the engine argument. The Russian X12 engine is a development of a petroleum/gas industry PUMP engine. It's doubtful that Russki engineers will ever get it to work reliably, not without a lot more government funding.

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Interesting, as many other documentaries i've seen (and books I've read) stated that the US struggled most with jet vs jet contests in Korea. It was SAM's that were the biggest threat in Vietnam.

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And yet they never approached the capability of NATO pilots or planes.

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It was very illuminating to me to see that the Russian pilots struggled with the same problems of learning dogfighting technics.

What a great video! You are obviously quite intelligent, and researched everything very well!

I feel so badly for the people of the USSR and it's satellite states. All that I have met through high school and college exchange programs in the 80's and 90's were good and honest, down-to-earth people who were fun to be around and kind. When I hear stories like this, where just getting an orange on the holidays if your parents were favored by the regime, was such a big deal...while at the same time in the U.S., we had such abundance that such things were an every-day occurrence... and there were so many brilliant artists and scientists trying so hard to create the things they did under such adverse conditions, it staggers me. How many brilliant persons were hamstrung by the Socialist system? How great could that society have otherwise been? And you, being from Ukraine, which has been so betrayed by Russia and viscously attacked by it's would-be protector while it's people bear it and still stay so strong? My heart wishes you the best, my friend!

It sounds so typical of the older command to assume the "modern times's pilots have it easier", while forgetting things are becoming "easier" for the enemy as well, leading for the modern battlefield to actually just "changed" , rather than becoming easier.

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Very cool. The history of cold war have a lot of significant pages.

i love the background music = great mild techno style 80s . Great video very informative , lots of information

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Good video. As a former Nato pilot during the 70s and 80s I found this very interesting.