China Can Say No!

As for A class. You should know there is no class A war criminals in this world. UN memmbers agreed not to purnish them any more. And, to judge class A as crime is based on POST-FACT LAW, which banned amoung UN members in 1951. as for ICJ, you found a good reason to unfollow ICJ judgement. lol. that's why Chinese are untrusted all over the world. At least China has NEVER tried to bring this territorial dispute over Senkaku to ICJ. China has not changed anything, China is fond of war.

The U.N members never say that the crime is a ex-post-fact law. In order for U.N to decide a thing, all 5 major member should be agree on a it, which include China and Russia So can you tell me when did China say that there is no Class A war Criminals? When did China say that not to punish the war crimal?

"crime against peace" became active since 1946. You better look into the "ex-post facto law" in each members' constitution At least P5 members and OECD members adopted ban of "ex-post facto law".

U.N have never ban ex-post facto law. International law have nothing to do with the constitution of each members. plus, Chinese constitution have never use ex post facto law and also, crime against peace, or planning war, is not only crime they did They also guilty for masscre, rape, enslave and many other crimes. There is no reason those people should be worshiped by anyone who respect international law. Only Lawless japanese right-wings worship them. And they want to go to ICJ? what a joke..

Taiwan KMT army soldiers were expelled from China mainland by Communist. they are just like boat people. so, generous Japan condoned them to settle on the island for a while. that's it.

Japan condoned it? how is Japan condoned it? Japan never control those islands until 1971, when the oil is found, the Taiwannese army controlled it. It is very clearly stated on the Potsdam Declaration that Japan do not control any land or sea beyond 30°N and Japan and American broke the law when the resource is found.

In 1945, Japan lost the ADMINISTRATION of Senkaku.though sustained the SOVEREIGNTY. I hope you could discern of the two. And, I suppose you learned the history "KMT people were expelled by Chinese communist in mainland", didn't you? KMT people were just like boat people. so, I don't know how Chinese treat those boat people, Japanese never abandon boat people. While they were expelled by Communist, How can Japan protest for them? Is it too severe for them?

after the custody, where should them be sent back? mainland China? it won't be better. so, it was a better way that Japan condoned them. so, they reached to Taiwan. that's the history.

When Okinawan people guided Chinese missionary from China to Okinawa, They introduced Senkaku as Ryukyu territory. so, in 1561, the missionary sent a letter to Ming throne: "行至閏五月初三日渉琉球境界地名赤嶼" (May 3, reached Ryukyu's end red island). red island(赤嶼) is located in northern area in Senkaku. and the missionary left "he worried about a visit to Ryukyu, though he felt better after he got to know he was guided by Ryukyu people. It means the missionary and Chinese didn't know how to voyage the sea.

Potsdam Declaration stated very clear: Japanese SOVEREIGNTY shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we determine." the Potsdam Declaration was signed by the British, American ,Chinese and Japanese and it clearly stated that Japan do not have sovereignty of minor islands without the all three victory countries who signed those "determined" So when did Chinese government "determined" Diaoyu islandsbelongs to Japan?

ok... In the Potsdam declaration you can find "such minor island as we determine" it relates the soverignty of Senkaku "we" means United Nations. United Nations agreed to Sanfranciso Treaty that settles the war. and Japan sustains Senkaku sovereignty because the treaty doesn't recognize Senkaku in the list of the islands to be excluded from Japan territory. oh, you chinese didn't agreed that? so what? "we"(united nations) is granted. That's why Japan is accepted as a member of United nations.

Potsdam Declaration clearly stated that Japanese have no sovereignty over any thing that beyond 30 degree North The San Franciso Treaty is NOT a UN treaty, in order to make a U.N treaty, all of the Five Permanent members must agree on it. Two of the Permanent members of UN did not agree it, U.S.S.R had rejected the treaty and China was not even allowed in the conference. The San franciso Treaty has no legel base in U.N and is not world recognized, that treaty means nothing to the issue.

San Francisco treaty SETTLED the war. THAT'S WHY Japan beame a member of UN. So, UN admitted Sanfrancisco treaty. got it? If UN didn't admit it, why Japan is a member of UN now? And You misunderstood UN. UN IS NOT OWNED BY ANY SPECIFIC NATIONS, like China or Russia. And even if you yell, China and Russia didn't veto for Japan membership. this is the fact. I should say China and Russia welcomed UN membership of Japan. That shows UN, including China and Russia respect San Francisco treaty.

That is totally nonsence, The war is settled by treaty of Potsdam Declaration in 1945, when Japan surrendered. San Franciso Treaty worth NOTHING what make you believe that you can settle the WWII without China and Russia? those 2 countries are must important players of the war, both countries fight longer than everyone else and suffer must of casualties. Japan become a U.N member in 1956, that is a totally different desicion that have nothing to do with the Treaty of San Fran in 1951.

wow.... Have you read Potsdam proclamation? It doesn't demacrate the territory of Japan, does it? lol. I repeat! San Francisco treaty SETTELeD the war..

Potsdam Proclamation made Japanese territory very clear: "Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and such minor islands as we(China, U.S and U.K) determine" And it is internationally recognized. San Francisco treaty was not a internationally recognized, Therefore it is not legel in international law.

Didn't I say "demacrate"? "and such minor islands as we determine" San Francisco Treaty demacrate the territory of Japan. And "we" means "United Nations", not just those four countries. San Francisco Treaty was signed between United Nations. that's why the war was settled and Japan was welcome to the United Nations. And CHINA also welcomed Japan participation to United Nations. if China had NOT agreed, why did China welcomed? I say China's reaction to the Senkaku contradict the war settlement.

Do you know how U.N works? in order to make a U.N decision, 9 out of 15 members and 5 out of 5 Permanent members must agree on it 5 Permanent members are US, UK, France, China and Russia,if any of them don't agree, then it is not vaild Japan join U.N in 1956,12,12, it is a totally different U.N decision. China welcome Japan because Japan honored the peace treaty, which is Potsdam Proclamation. Japan was not trying to invade China, Russia and Korea and deny war crimes in1956 as they are today.

how is demacrate have anything to do with territory? Turn Japan into a demacracy does not mean Japan get all the lands they took from China.

ah-ha, you don't undertand "we(United Nations) determine" in Potsdam proclamation. United Nations welcomed Japan affiliation after the conclusion of San Francisco Treaty that "DEMARCATED" Japan's territory. so, Japan reatains the sovereignty of Senakku. got it?

The Potsdam Proclamation had made it very clear what is the "islands we determined" " Japanese soverignty shall limited to 30 degree North", that was what the Potsdam Proclamation had Demrcated. Diaoyu island is far beyond 30 degree North. Only a U.N decision can overturn the Potsdam Proclamation, and a U.N decison must be agreed by China and Russia, the Permanent members. Therefore San Francisco Treaty cannot give Japan islands that beyond 30 degree North, because it is invalid

so, we means not "China", its "United Nations". and, United Nations welcomed Japanese affiliation, after the conclusion of San Francisco Treaty that demarcated Japanese territory. ie. Senkaku remains Japan territory. that means United Nations agreed to San Francisco Treaty that demarcated minor islands. so, when China, as United Nations affiliate, welcomed Japan to United Nations, China implicitly admitted Senkaku belongs to Japan. Conclusion: China cannot say Senkaku belongs to China.

United Nations welcomed Japan because it honored the peace treaty, which is Potsdam Proclamation, which means that Japan joined United Nation because it agreed that Diaoyu island belongs to China. So, When Japan start to invade the Diaoyu islands, Japan broken its own promise and the Peace treaty of U.N. and STOP TALKING ABOUT SAN FRANCISCO PEACE TREATY, IT IS NOT A U.N DECISION!

You better modifiy the facts. Japan acepted Potsdam Proclamation, and CONCLUDED SAN FRANCISCO TREATY. Then, Unite Nations welcomed Japan. You should not ignore the history. And, United Nations have not admitted Senkaku belongs to China. if you insist, You should show me the evidence. San Francisco Treaty says Senkaku remains Japan territory. so, Japan holds the soverignty of Senkaku during the period Japan was occupied. . and there is NO document that China controled Senkaku in the history.

How many times I have to tell you to make you understand: China never agree with Treaty of San Francisco, and a U.N cannot make a treaty without China, a permanent member, agree on it. So that U.N had NEVER agree that Diaoyu islands belongs to Japan. However, the Potsdam Proclamation had said " JAPANESE SOVERIGNTY LIMITED TO 30 DEGREE NORTH" Diaoyu islands is far beyond 30 degree north, therefore it is not a part of Japan under Potsdam Proclamation, and Japan had invaded the islands in 1970s.

石泉山房文集(1561),China recognized Senkaku belongs to Ryukyu. 葛瑪蘭廳志(1852), China recognized Senkaku/Diaoyutai is out of Yilan(蘭界外) 全台図説(1872), China recognized Senkaku/Diaoyutai is included in Qilai(奇来, now called 花蓮(Hualien)) though Hualian is excluded from Qing territory in the era. it shows China has not controled Senkaku.

How many times!? till you show hard evidence for your opinion. Chinese documents show Senkaku belongs to Japan. By those documents, Chinese defender say Senkaku/Diaoyutai belongs to China. though those documents are not descripted as Chinese say. if you can read Chinese, it says Senkaku was not controled by Qing(China). so, China's evidence is unuseful to prove China's sovereignty of Senkaku. I say it also prove Japanese sovereignty of Senkaku.

the text in 石泉山房文集 said that "Diaoyu island is on the way to Ryukyu". If it is "on the way", then it is not a part of it. it says" we landed on the Diaoyu islands on 1st of May, and reach the territory of Ryukyu on 3rd of May." Which means, Diaoyu islands is NOT a part of "territory of Ryukyu", according to that document. 葛瑪蘭廳志 said that the Diaoyu island is outside of 噶瑪蘭廳, which is only ONE OF MANY COUNTIES of Taiwan, didn't said that is not a part of China. Qilai is always a part of Qing

Have you you read the original sentences in the documents? 1.《石泉山房文集》(1561), "行至閏五月初三日渉琉球境界地名­赤嶼" - May 3, (We) reached the end of Ryukyu, named as 赤嶼(Senkaku). 2.葛瑪蘭廳志 is provided by Chinese as the evidence that Senkaku belongs to China(Taiwan). So, I SAID CHINA HAS NOt CONTROLED SENKAKU.. I guess you chinese, though You cannot understand Chinese, and English. cause you have not understand 石泉山房文章 and what I said in my comment here. I hope you should take your friend here for this debate.

I'm fed up with Chinese cheap excuse.... :(

You are the person who do not understand a thing. the Diaoyu island's Chinese name is 钓鱼, 赤嶼, or 赤屿, only a mountain that marked the end of Diaoyu islands and start of Ryuku Kingdom. even if you do not understand Chinese, Japanese or English, you can still see pictures, right? in 1785 JAPANESE map, the Sangoku Tsūran Zusetsu, Diaoyu islands is very clearly marked as Chinese islands.

you are the person who do not understand Chinese. it is on the 重编使琉球录 in 1561, write by the same author of 石泉山房文集, recording the same journal: 闰五月初一日，过钓鱼屿。初三日，至赤屿焉。赤屿者，界琉球地方­山也。再一日之风，即可望姑米山矣. Which means" in May 1st we past Diaoyu islands, in 3rd we reach 赤屿, 赤屿 is the mountain in the borader between Diaoyu isands and Ryukyu, another day, we can reach 姑米山(Kume Island). And in 石泉山房文集 it says" 行至閏五月初三日渉琉球境界地名­赤屿", means "in the 3rd we reached the territory of Ryuku, marked by 赤屿"

行至閏五月初三日渉琉球境界地名­赤嶼 means "in may 3rd we reached the BORDER OF Ryukyu, not the end of Ryuku. and 赤嶼 is the mark that shows that is the border between China and Ryuku. you don't even have any idea of geography, 赤嶼 is the Northest island of Diaoyu islands, and Ryukyu is on the North of 赤嶼, if 赤嶼 is the border of China and Ryuku, that proven that everything South of 赤嶼, which is Diaoyu islands, belongs to China.

and in the 葛瑪蘭廳志, 蘭界外 means "out of county". What is wrong with "outside of county"? Diaoyu islands are islands, and 葛瑪蘭廳 is a county in land, surely it is "outside of county of Yulian" However, in the same book, it record Diaoyu islands as 山後大洋，北有山名釣魚臺，可泊大船十餘。 Which says, "there is a mountain in the ocean north, called Diaoyutai, a harbor that hold more than ten big ships. That clearly showed China use Diaoyu islands as harbor. the document had prove that Diaoyu islands belong to China.

Chinese distortion. 可泊大船十餘. shows Chinese ship didn't anchor there. it is the sentence that Chinese watched the overview of the island. so it sentence is translated as "10 large ships anchorable. you'll know you hae to use small boat to land on the island. thus Chinese have watched though Chinese have NOT used Senkaku.

1. What is the word for "mark" in your translation? 行至閏五月初三日渉琉球境界地名­赤嶼 May 3rd(行至閏五月初三日), (We) reached(渉) Ryukyu's end(琉球境) named(界地名) red islet(赤嶼) Ryukyu's end is 赤嶼, that is one of Senkaku island.

"闰五月初一日，过钓鱼屿。初三日，至赤屿焉。赤屿者，界琉球地方­­山也。" if this former sentence means 赤屿 is a border between Ryukyu and China as you say, it doesn't mean 赤屿 belongs to China. "再一日之风，即可望姑米山矣" though, the latter sentence says Kume island(姑米山) is Ryukyu territory. Since there is Kume island in the inside of the border circle of Ryukyu. And, China admit Senkaku islands is one set as a territory. 赤屿 and 姑米山"Kume islands consist of Senkaku islands. so, 赤屿 is also Ryukyu teritory. Thus senkaku belongs to Ryukyu.

haha! rubbish! You don't understand Chinese. that's why You modify the sentence with "mark" that can't be found in the sentence.. I know Chinese don't learn Old Chinese language. so it would be natural for them.

葛瑪蘭廳志(1852), 重纂福建通志(1871): Senkaku is classifed in the category of "蘭界外"(out of Yilan). this means Senkaku doesn't belong to China.

where is "the end" in the sentence? 行至(travel to)閏五月初三日(may 3rd)渉(reached)琉球(Ryukyu's)境界(boundary)地名­(named)赤嶼(red islet) That shows that 赤嶼 is the boundary between China and Ryukyu. since 赤嶼 is the Northest island in Diaoyu islands chain. if the 赤嶼 is the boundary , then the Diaoyu islands, which is on the south of the 赤嶼, belong to China.

no, 赤屿 is Northest of Diaoyu island, but Kume island is a part of Okinawa Islands,not a part of Diaoyu islands Chain. You should check a map before you speack, Kume islands is about 100 miles away from Diaoyu islands.

Yilan is only a county, it says"蘭界外", yes, it is "out of Yilan county" But how does that shows Diaoyu is not a part of China? in Qing, county(廳) government do not control sea, so surely it is "outside of county" But just because it is outside of county does not show it is outside of the whole Qing Empire.

if I say"Himalayas is the boundary between China and Nepal", is there different from"Himalayas marks the boundary between China and Nepal" No, right? Also, go check the map, if you can't read, you can still see picture and colors, right? don't tell me you are colorblinded.

How does that show that "Chinese ship did not anchor there"? It did not say how "big" is the big ship. China claims( and proven by map and document) that Diaoyu islands had been used by Chinese fisherman as a shelter. And the islands is surely enough to "hold more than ten big ships", for the fishers. There is no conflict between Chinese claim and the record, you are logic-chopping.

Chinese admitted red islet is a boundry. and Chinese admitted Senkaku is one set as a territory. if Chinese missionary advances way more to Ryukyu over red islet, They are in Ryukyu territory. though its yet Senkaku sea area. And if he was a wise chinese, he would find a sentencef in the same document, Fujian people(famous as sea people in China) don't know how to voyage to Ryukyu. When Ryukyu people visited China to pick up Chinese missionary, Chinese was delighted.

And Ryukyu people danced when arrived red islet and said "We got back to Ryukyu!". Ryukyu people think Senkaku is Ryukyu area, and know Ryukyu sea area. so, Ryukyu people CONTROLED Senkaku area at that time.

but, if Chinese say Senkaku belongs to Taiwan, Chinese should show the process to hand over of Senkaku. There is no treaty or no accordance of hand over of Senkaku between Ryukyu and Taiwan or China. so, IF China says Senkaku belongs to China, We can say CHINA STOLED SENKAKU FROM RYUKYU.

DiaoYu is just a much better name than Senkaku. the west loves Japan because it turned it into its bitch.

stupid japan, stupid america

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