I watercooled an NVME SSD... These results were unexpected!

i guess mine gets too hot with the motherboard metal . even 60 C in idle up to 78 c with crystal disk bench

i'd be interested to see if it helps with the system drive. TEST THE SYSTEM DRIVE JAY!! you know you want to.

SSD are faster when hotter, that's basic chemistry. Also, they become less reliable when hotter. Around 60 degrees C is the sweet spot, warm so fast but no so many errors as to slow it down. If your drives never get hotter than this, don't cool them. Also, statistically, you're more likely to tread on your nvme and break it than have it fail early due to running hotter and faster.

use dd command in linux, write whatever sized blocks of zeros to the drive until full, add an &, copy and paste line hundreds of time, dd will fill drive with zeros hundreds of times over, can give status=progress to each so you can plot throttling. Also, you got air being dragged over it by the GPU fans. Try this inside a box with no gpu fans, sleeper build case i.e blocked fan at front, 92 mm fan at back, fans idling because disk activity doesn't heat CPU. Sleeper build epeen with pcie gen 4 nvme motherboard. pls.

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If it’s above the temp ceiling for the cooler, it literally HAS to come down. Black body radiation plus a better conduction gradient means it cools (as in loses energy) faster the higher the temp is. You’ll always converge on the same temp.

Why all the fartin' around ?

Create a 200 GB file on one drive:
c:\> fsutil file createnew dummy.txt 200000000000

Copy that to the SSD stick.
Click "Details" drop down button on the file transfer dialog and watch the transfer rate in GB/sec.
You can tell when you've hit thermal throttling. After about the first 80 GB's it will slow to 200 MB/s

From what I have read from some of the engineers of these NVMe devices, they say that the "cooling too much" is typically not going to be an issue because the temps where too much cooling is problematic for longevity is like 0°C which you aren't going to have in a normal system. For high temp, they said you would generally want to keep them under 70°C. So even with no heatsink the 980 is fine, especially in a case with a little airflow. But the newest 990's, SN850X, etc. do get hot. I have some passive heatsinks on mine and they stay around 50°C. That's all they really need. The motherboard covers should also be sufficient for most things. The PCI-e 5.x ones may need a heatsink vs. being able to just run out in the open.

Not much into water cooling. But aren't there better liquids than water that could be used in a closed system? Or would that be too complicated for the "average" PC person and perhaps too expensive.?

I'd like to know why my 2nd gen i3 laptop with sata ssd seems faster than my new 12th gen i7 with the NVMe!

why would you expect faster speeds without overclocking the nvme ssd? I understand the thermal throttling, have not heard of anyone overclocking the memory on an nvme.

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Thanks Jay....

Looking at the video and thinking: "hmmm.... we need Water Coolers for RAM too now", LoL

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I had a Samsung gen 3 nvme SSD get hot on me on my threadripper machine, I was trying to play Snowrunner when it first came out and I kept getting random crashes and the longer I kept playing the slow the system got, sometimes it would just freeze, found out it was the SSD, I threw a little heatsink on it from a old video card memory chip and never had an issue since.

Please re-test the water cooling with PCIe gen 5 M.2 SSD

A: dd dd remove file goto a

A year later, we now have Gen5 SSD. I wonder if this is now necessary.

Ok.
So basically use the base covers with their thermal pads in a well ventilated system and you're good.
These gizmos are just more E-waste garbo to make money off of a non need.

What system monitor is being used to monitor M.2 drive temps? I haven't been able to catch that bit of info yet.

I have my ssd above GPU slot and with the best airflow the lowest with Samsung 970 nvme gen 3 with aftermarket heatsink the lowest was 30 degrees and max was 61 degrees downloading 100 GB game from steam

I recommend - Hard Disk Sentinel for monitoring.

maybe the test takes a min to catch up or drastic quick changes in heat cause it too stop for a second, maybe inner security to Not overheat? idk, but its hard to burn one up[ like you said, myth buster style?!? were gonna blow something up.

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What I'm interested in, is what the hell is this beast of a cooler on the CPU? Is it the new amd box cooler?

great vids. not the first time iv seen bad editing. good vid loved it

I like to use a pointy (usually aluminum) heatsink that has the right spacing to screw in a fan screw. Then, find the right size fan and screw it into a couple places diagonally. Voila! active cooling. Little fans are $5 to $15. You just lower their speed way down for quietness and longevity.

can you do this again with the Gen5s ?

So much trouble just by refusing to read the specs sheet lol

Hey Jay, can we see this redone with the new PCIE 5 drives? ;)

I remember in '92 when it was such a big deal that the CPU had a heat sink. 🤣

The lower write speed is probably just the ssd finding and deleting blocks to write onto.

The warmer a temperature is, the quicker it will spread out to the environment

I read years ago that writes to a warmer SSD were better than a cold one? has that idea of better retention been disproved?

Could you put some ice cubes in the water reservoir

ATTO benchmark

Always enjoy your vids, as they are entertaining, informative, and just nice to watch. Less with the AAHHHSSS.

Why install a fan? Just keep flapping your jaw, and wagging your tongue. Should be adequate.

I can't concentrate on anything going on here because I'm too distracted by the facial hair.

The only issue with the built in heat sink for the NVME SSID on the motherboard is that it's usually blocked by the GPU to get good airflow. Although, because of that, there really isn't an easy alternate solution if the GPU is mounted flat into the GPU slot of the motherboard.

from what im seeing i think that nvmw is restructuring the blocks on the drive that might cause it to slow down from a back to bck write and in that time it takes to re write data it is finished restructuring data

Why do liquid coolers use water instead of radiator fluid? Wouldn't something like Prestone work better?

Water cooling an M.2 is ridiculous in the real world situation no m.2 will passed 60°. They are designed to withstand temperatures of at least 75° before throttling who is ever going to do that. It’s motherboard manufacturers that I’ve pushed the trend of heatsinks, adding them to boards for aesthetic purposes only.

I got one of those small EK nvme heatsinks, and it lowered my idle temps with like 9-10c. Wasn't an issue, but I use two nvme's and one of them ran cooler since the motherboard had a heatsink on that slot but not the other. So the temp difference urked me, I didn't have high hopes for those tiny heatsinks but I was pleasantly surprised. Plus it looks a little nicer now... :)

My guess is that the dips in speed were due to cache filling. It could be the pipeline cache or filling the top layers of NAND first

The way around this would be to run an fstrim between each test, but that would invalidate the heat tests you're trying to run.

Maybe if you ran the water block, but instead of running it the proper way, use a water heater to intentionally heat up the SSD via the coolant. You could more precisely control the temperature that way with a couple of cheap ($50) thermal electric controllers

use screen recording software like OBS, Dxtory
then record in uncompessed codecs, it maybe gonna give huge file on the drive, continously

The whole point about NVME heatsink is not so much about performance, but the ability for the NAND retaining its data. As a general rule, the cooler the NAND, the longer it can store its data accurately without having to rewrite the cell. Either way, water cooling the NVME is completely crazy. I would just slap a heatsink on it and just forget it.

What the hell is that CPU cooler?