The New Ryzen APUs so bad they make the 6500 XT look good

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Is the Radeon 6600 the $200 hero? Closest we've got. But it doesn't sit right with me that a $330 card from 2021 can be considered a hero in 2024 at $200. 7600/6650XT at $200 feels more like it now.
And I retreact what I said at the end about the Ryzen Z1- it's pretty much the 8500G but the $180 feels too steep for just 4 GPU CU's. 4 CPU cores, 8 GPU CU's feels like the budget gaming sweet spot to me :)
I just want a modern version of the 2200G for 2200G prices :(

To be fair, most of the Ryzen G after the 3000G the MSRPs have been quite insane, bt the price drop was also insane, so maybe in a year or less these CPUs will be a great option for low end gamers.
Also USA prices are just different, here in Brazil the 6500XT is 1000 reais, or 200 USD, if they come here at a decent price they will be very popular, since the steamdeck doesn't exist here lol.

When I heared the rumour about APU with RDNA2, I really hope they pair Ryzen 5 6c/12t Zen3 with 12CU RDNA2.
If it can run CSGO 1080p at min. 100 fps at average around 120 fps, it is a win in my book.
If it can run Cyberpunk 2077 at Steam Deck settings at average 47 fps and minimum 35 fps without FSR, it is a big win.
If it can play any AAA that has intensive graphic at minimum 30 fps and average 45 fps, AMD is literally building a loyal base since with time those with less money will have more money and buy new system with AMD.
While literally deletes i3 from gaming unless some crazy want to do min-max with CPU-GPU

Phillip, these things were never intended for gaming in the first place!
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@2kliksphilip the reviews noone does!

When the 7700X was announced I was very excited to hear that the new generation of Ryzen CPUs would come with a TINY graphics chip. BUT if one visits AMDs website there is absolutely NOTHING related to what type of media playback the 7700X and 7700 (non X) can handle. I am not a teenager anymore nor a care free 20 year old. I purchase PC components with CPU performance in mind for my work. On the other hand that doesn't mean that I do not enjoy watching movies. I would love to be able to playback at 4K. HDR and AV1 support would also be nice thing to have. Finally, since I am in my 30s the games I would casually play on a cold and rainy Friday night would be Skyrim or Far Cry 3 which the 7800G is a champ. So for me, the 7800G is actually what the 7700X and 7700 (non X) SHOULD HAVE BEEN given that AMD decided to advertise those CPUs as CPUs that do not require a GPU (and their Vega chip is worse than that of a 5600G).

tbf at least the 8000g series is scalable if you decide to switch the dedicated graphics. That's probably why they focused on cpu performance over gpu, because at least you can plug in an additional gpu

I think you're missing the biggest use cases of these APUs: the ability to delay buying a GPU. The 8700G is expensive as a standalone gaming processor/GPU combination, but it's cheaper than a 7700X while not being that far behind in performance. If you can't decide on a GPU now or want to see the next generation's pricing before you commit, you can buy an 8700G and have a GPU that runs your games decently at 1080p in the short term, but won't hold you back much when you get a beefier GPU. So the price difference between the 8600G and 8700G isn't justified by the immediate gaming performance, where you're obviously GPU-bound nearly identically with both, but the performance ceiling down the road when you get a better GPU and may end up CPU-bound.

And... it costs more because it's just an outright faster CPU? There's more metrics to be considered than gaming when pricing a processor... What if you wanted to stream on a budget? Or were a developer who compiled things frequently, but wanted to do some light gaming on occasion? The extra cores and overall CPU performance could easily justify the cost in such a case, in my view, and the only thing I can see competing in the streaming case is Intel Arc where QuickSync video is good enough you don't need to software encode your streams and can afford to cheap out on the CPU.

Not selling the Ryzen 3 8300G was kind of a bad move in my opinion

AM5 has no doubt had awful APU availability, though I imagine it's due to laptop eating up supply. There were practically no ryzen laptops back then compared to today, so any oversupply could be dumped on consumers. Now that AMD are the updogs on laptops Intel are facing a similar situation, which has likely led to them flooding the desktop market with affordable chips.

Reviewers are living in another reality or something. $330 is the launch MSRP. What happens to AMD prices as time goes on? They fall through the floor. They offer their products as expensive as they can at first, taking the money of anyone willing to buy at that price. Then they slowly drop the price over the next year until it's offered at a price that everyone who wants it will pay for it during the life of the product. This isn't supposed to only appeal to the extreme couponers. If you want an APU for an In Win Chopin build for travel, this is the product for you. Not a lot of people want that, so its obviously not meant for everyone. And that's okay...

Heyo Philip! I would also like some recommendations, i need to run Elden Ring and maybe other current gen games at least on medium at 60fps, since my Athlon 3000g crashes even when using the ps1 graphics ultra low mod.
And with the absolute garbage situation in Brazil after the new law that makes importation costs double then adds another 50% on taxes when it gets here, with those a-holes at the capital planning to make it even worse for us this year, I'm screwed...
From what I've seen, The Ryzen 7 5700g with a Gigabyte gaming b450M can run the games I want on low, but what Graphics card do you recommend to reach medium or even high at 60fps? I also would thank you if you a better processor and motherboard combo to go with a graphics card and reach the same objective.
Asking here because every Brazilian forum I go just goes with the answer: "just save about a thousand more then buy the current gen top of the line card", well i can't save a thousand more for the current gen when the processor and motherboard alone will cost me $511 already!!

I liked the outro of this video. This might actually be your best one

7xxm is meant for mobile graphics performance and mini-pc's and laptops it blows intel away in efficiency and performance but they should really of just put a 780m in all of the desktop apu variants instead of cutting them down as they aren't wattage/diespace limited.

you ended it really weird, it felt like my hand was cut abruptly and the person said nothing as to why 🤣

Part of my issue with modern APUs is that they are too much CPU and not enough GPU. I looked over the die shot of the 7840HS a little while ago, and found that dropping 2 CPU cores would save as much die area as is technically needed to make a 16CU "790M" variant. There is something to be said for the bandwidth issues of feeding 16CUs, but there would still be some gain in performance above the current 12CU setup.

Dropping CPU cores may also seem like a hit against it for some folks, but the games that run well on an APU aren't going to be the type to hammer a bunch of CPU threads either. Cyberpunk is going to run no worse on a 8700G with 2 cores disabled for example.

Curious if there is any self bottlenecking on the new lineup, granted its dependent on game.. but still curious since you're lumping cpu/gpu together.

I was searching for a video that finally speak the truth about these APUs and how they don't work...

And I add something: APUs always had iGPUs as powerful as entry-level dGPUs in that years...

For example, (I had the) A8-7600 with R7 graphics which was about the performance of an R7 240 2GB DDR3

So, that's nothing new about performance on APUs

But at least they were cheap
Since 2011 when the first APUs came, they worth the build because we're equivalent in performance and price compared to entry-level CPU + GPU

If you can, make a dossie video about the first APUs

dont forget, this is an awesome stopgap and pay later for a real gpu option. A great idea for many that can't pay for a great pc now. For example being stuck with a i3-1200F is terrible and not an easy swap.

so basically buy msi claw for a better igpu and when u can later connect a large gpu to it if you really aim for the portability other than that get a proper pc or mini itx that fits graphics card and buy proper cpu and graphics card

I have a friend with a 2200g and i must confirm that it's really good for that sort of processor (he's upgrading this year)

I feel the 8700G is more for people who can't afford to buy a good GPU right now, but know they will be able to afford one in a few weeks or months from now. So going for the much better CPU part which can still be used later when they get the good dGPU, instead of going for the gimped CPU part which might be even a bottleneck when they decide/can buy the dGPU.

Or of course for those who need the CPU performance and don't need the GPU performance of a dGPU, but still game enough.

My POV of those APUs was always that you could use them to put together a pretty capable system that you could upgrade with a good GPU later, but game in them in the mean time anyway

Yes cool

where my 2200g fellows at?

ahegao philip!

Oh my god the cat in the thumbnail

I still have a 2200g. The lack of hyperthreading, small cache and low clock speed only started to matter in 2023.

They should have looked at the max gaming performance they could squeeze from the iGPU by bottlenecking it and then pairing it with the cheapest cpu part that would achieve that performance. 8 zen 4 cores is insane to put into an apu.

8600g Sounds like a good APU for a diy mini itx steam machine though.

Most logical purchase you can make with is to buy this, get a good cpu and semi acceptable gaming while you collect for a new GPU. Way better cpu and more upgradeable than a 12100f

I cliked coz of the thunmmbnail :D

How to solve this issue: 8650G - 6 CPU cores but 12 GPU cores. 250$.

okay so what pisses me off the most is that AMD is trying to do the least amount possible to dump out some product to check some box. They're being market followers as always. The correct question that AMD should be pursuing is: "how do we get rx6700 levels of performance out of an igpu?"

These igpu's can't even beat a weak rx570. pathetic. What does this hold over a ryzen 7700? slower and more expensive. amd is afraid of cannibalizing it's own discrete gpus. With the continuing shit show that has been discrete graphics something is going to have to give at some point.

Never pressed on a video so fast

In order for an APU to make any sense for casual consumers it would have to be a six or four core CPU with at least RX6600 performance iGPU. I think they could do this if they wanted to.

1) love your reviews, they explain actual value and make detailed compairison for rl builds.
(to cheap for my pc spec but i still understand this video better than a ltt (too goofy) or gamernexus (to technical and kinda dry))
2) funny but not over the top or distracting from content.
3) small problem: almost didnt watch because it said "unboxing"

Also seeing what AMD can do in an APU with the steam deck, we know they can do better

Yes, these APUs would be better if they had prioritized the GPU, limiting the CPUs to 6 cores max, but still these APUs would only be a good option for small form factor PCs, just better than they are now.

i have had 2 amd gpus in my life, both have been horrificly shit. i have avoided amd products ever since my unfortunate ownership of the 2 graphics cards

APU's are what consoles are for gaming or Dacia is for cars, it gets the basic job done, but you can't expect miracles from it.

bounced on my boys blick to this

imo, all the apus should have had been hybrid designed with 12 cus at the top end and 8 cus at the lower end, that would made them keep the costs down, hte 8700g is dead on arrival, its too expensive anyways, the 8600g should have had 12 cus as well not 50% less than hte bigger brother with prices rounded off to 100 150 200 and 300

I don't hate the 8600G. Pretty capable CPU with some graphics that can play something alright. It's like the ideal cheap shitbox family PC APU that can run pretty much any software you throw at it well enough, and still enables the kids to play Fortnite without investing in a discrete GPU.

Not to diss people with lower budgets, but 4-cores are awful for general use in Windows. I bought my 5700G because it was basically the cheapest fast 8-core CPU, came with a free GPU and cooler, and could last me until better cheap GPUs weren't being scalped. Likewise, compare the 8700G to other new 8-cores, and the GPU basically ends up being free for those who use their PCs as more than glorified Xboxes.

They really really should start selling Athlon series again

When a mobile cpu like the 7840u exists, these are embarrassingly bad

The simple issue is that AMD doesn't want to sell competitive apu's on desktop... They make much more money selling those in laptop/handheld. And lets be real, apu only desktops don't really make sense until the ram is moved to on package anyways. A good apu (apu with good graphics) really needs to be packaged console style, aka larger mem bus with it closer to the chip. Graphics needs memory, as long as an APU is constrained to a conventional socket+ram, they'll probably never be a worthwhile gaming option on desktop.
Also, u overlooked how the lineup is made up of 2 different chips, the one with z4c cores only has max 4CU's for the gpu on die...

can i ask something? Why does 8700g and the 8600g have the same TDP if the latter is less powerful that the former? As a matter of fact why do they all have the same TDP