Ryzen KILLER - Intel Core Ultra 9 290K Arrow Lake & Lunar Lake

Can't state enough how uninterested I am in AI performance. But I'm sure there are a lot of other people who could benefit from it. Especially in big corps.

You neglected to mention that the new AI from Intel will also be a huge leap forward for AI p0rn. No longer will incels need to pay LOnlyFans models w/ their hard earned cash but can now design and simulate in VR what ever sick twisted fantasy they want w/ the new AI. Intel is going to be making mad cash w/ 15th gen.

with 20% stability

as rumor is gonna be on par and performance be equally as zen5 cores ...both will be tied in benchmarks ...not good news for either company but definite bad news for amd that shows non-SMT is kicking amd ass very hard that AMD SMT is finally showing its age...SMT days are very over for everyone, now entering split core architecture

Assuming there are enough cores, multi-core performance should increase without hyper-threading because you lose the command rate 2 overhead. So as long as you don't have to many threads then it should be great. Of course, without hyper-threading I think they really need 10 to 12 p-cores. I would like to see a high end arrow lake with 16 p-cores and 8 e-cores. Microsoft needs to fix it's cpu core parking logic in the scheduler. I think AMD will continue to beat intel on NPU and performance per watt just as they did before DDR3.

Sorry intel, I just switched to AM5 platform and waiting the Zen 9000 series release. This is better upgrade rather than arrow lake requiring a new motherboard..

What we want is P-cores, are we getting them? No, why not. Absolutely nobody wants E-Cores, they're worthless.

AMD will never be able to keep up or surpass intel...
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in terms of stupid insane shitty optimization in CPU architecture that require as much as a GPU in terms of watt to work such as 220W+

Problem is the heat
And power consumption. Unless Intel processors can be fix so they can run usng air cooler

I honestly think we should at least get twice single core uplift for the loss of multi threads and perhaps a 30-50% multi core to see how that go could be a HUGE fail and maje amd finaly put the last nail in the coffin with its zen5

Well Core Ultra laptops are now available and guess what? They offer absolutely no advantage over 13th gen abd even get hotter. Another year, another bust from Intel.

Has anyone audited the accuracy of MLID's leaks? I don't think it's very good.

i have a 14700K and i disabled hyperthreading, result in better lows. I dont need that because with the e-cores i have 20 real threads. Also i run it at 5ghz + undervolt instead of 5.6ghz - much less heat (about 54°c while gaming at 1440p) near no difference in fps.

writing error, it is 3% and only in a specific field

They need to add LPU cores to processor they are extremely fast

The guy should be called "Mentally Challenged". The 3 times performance is that of the NPU as "claimed" by Intel

A lot of people talk as if Intel isn’t competitive, but they actually really are…they’ve just fallen marginally short of the performance crown in gaming their last four generations. It’s easy to forget with all the Intel fanboys coping, seething, and maulding so hard over it all the time, but even if Intel isn’t winning, they’re really only a few percent behind. We think this isn’t competition but it absolutely is. Heck we’re mostly giving Intel the short end of the narrative given Intel still takes some 80% of new domestic hardware CPU sales overall.

Importantly, if you remove stacked V-cache from the equation, core-to-core Intel’s architecture actually IS still somewhat better. So it wouldn’t shock me if Intel managed to gain an advantage in CPU-based AI in upcoming generations. And that’s probably a significant incentive for Intel to continue pursuing the GPU market as well.

Having said all that, Intel’s also throwing so much snake oil out there in recent years (ironic given their recent, quickly abandoned marketing slander against AMD), and cherry-picked benchmarks are the the rule rather than the exception for the ENTIRE industry…not just Intel. Any 3x claim almost always ends up being exactly that historically. Just like Intel keeps marketing 200% improvements in every other ARC driver release “for some games” but two years later ARC still lags behind where their power consumption and theoretical compute suggests they should be compared to Nvidia and AMD.

"Could be" are this man's favorite words.

Intel and Nvidia sucks buy AMD ^^

Not a fan boy bring price to performance back.

Intel sold 50 million cpus in 2023 / AMD 9 million do the math

They both will be using TSMC with the same fab and node. So performance per watt can go out of the window and should be neck and neck..only superior architecture will outshine the other which I highly doubt AMD can manage. IPC is the product of architectural optimization and how many transistors you can pack in per core. So I'm betting on intel this time.

Man i know this is a random comment but i am a depressed guy.
But today after many years i am happy because reality capture app is free
(*It's a photogrammetry app)
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But from april 2024 its gonna be FREE for those who have annual revenue of less than 1mill dollars, after which u need to pay 1250 a year for the seat.

Is this now going to be like the AMD GPU meme??? Where every gen is an Nvidia killer... Then turns out to be one big disappointment? INTEL ARE MAKING A RYZEN KILLER!!! AMD RYZEN SERIES IS SCREWED!!! 5% uplift and an extra 100w whacked on top.

Only thing intel kills is someone's electricity bill

Intel - needs great coolers, needs amazing power supply, needs high quality mobo, needs faster ram to match performance, still runs hot

Amd - stock cooler gives 100% peeformance, cheap motherboard can run x3d because only 80watt, dont need fast ram because v cache mitigates the ram bottleneck, uses half the power for same gaming perxormance, cheaper cpu for same performance

Somehow intel fanbois find a way trash AMD and intel is faster. Ok guy.. go for it.

We see I think zen 5 Tyson 9000 and even xd will be out before and for less money and prob half the power - intel have to do something amazing to turn it around tbh

To be honest performance does not go linearly from there, so 17W mode, means they removed some inefficiency in LP mode, and it does not do much when your cpu is at 400W.
I would assume they can do what took previously 400W at about 300-350W.
don't get your hopes to high guys....

Yeah sure dude... we'll see.

My man, haven't you gotten tired of amping up intel B.S yet? Intel was never great, and they've languished in outright suckery for years at this point. Arc was delayed by years, and while it has improved since launch it took too goddamn long to get to the middle.

Battlemage, likewise has been delayed, specs have been severely slashed and as MLID has recently reported on RDNA4 performance, unless intel is planning to launch their flagship for under $400, they're going to be in the same position that they're in now

Intel has failed to meet performance projections time and time again, despite delays being the norm instead of the exception, while the power envelope continues to be pushed to the stratosphere. Ryzen 9000, which will likely beat intel's new chip to market, has conservative estimates of 30% performance uplift.....and unlike intel, AMD has actually been meeting or beating those projections for the better part of a decade.....with fewer cores, at a fraction of the power consumption.

Its going to be badly optimised in apps at best, at worst it will be 5% faster than 14900k.

Idk if Intel doesn't stack l3 cache like the X3D chips and is like 10% faster in modern games, I'd still take the X3D variant which completely delete Intel in older games that are poorly threaded ie they were made when 2-4 cores was the norm. Also if intel is going to be faster it will likely still need double the power to do so which is a big fail.

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AMD Boys will be salty 😊

for 1700 socket? would love to pair it with my neo series ddr5 10.5Ghz ram and core i5 12600kf

Here is the thing:
In single-core tasks, flagship Intel CPUs destroy AMD CPUs currently, though being on an inferior process node!

I expect this cpu to heat my home, I'm a 1000 ft up, almost always windy and cold

The title sounds like YserBenchmark

12P core, no E core, shitload of cache. Maybe some day?

I love this channel, it's like the Art Bell of computer hardware.
"East of the Rockies, we have an Intel leak from a man making some massive performance claims"

500 watts usage

Power efficiency and how many cpu upgrades will I get out of this upcoming Arrow Lake motherboard platform will determine if I bother building a new rig from my 12700k
Intel needs to bring down the heat, Their cpu's are getting ridiculous to cool.

Hyprthreading was causing esoteric security problems like side channel attacks exploiting speculative execution performance differences, it also costs die area for performance critical resources that makes less sense in an environment when you have more and more physical cores that could benefit from those resources (PC+instruction cache, Branch prediction, register stacks, L0 etc.) All the stuff you might prefer to expand an improve for best single core performance. Hyperthreading was introduced when consumer chips had one physical core, the Xeons that used it first had 4 cores.

intel delays then delays then delays some more

Setting Intel up to fail, by raising expectations.
They've consistently failed to deliver, the smart commentary would be cautionary, not omg omg hype hype omg.

bring cpu wars back! and great prices. cause it ain't happening in the GPU side