Why We Hate Midbass In a Door - James's Golf IV Upgrading to 3Way Front - Brax, Helix, Hertz, JL

I have a semi truck I'm planning out. I will either put them up high in the ceiling where there is actually plenty of unused space and room, or build an enclosure in and put that in the doors.

Sound deadning in the doors and find whatever it is that's rattling in the doors and take care of it. Just like everything else that rattles in the car.

Another good song is A Perfect Circle - The Package. The opening of that song has crazy midbass. That is the one song that makes me hate that I went through so much effort to build door enclosures. It makes my passenger door rattle SO BAD. 🤬

Soon I will do IB kicks.

I live in california. Who do you recommend to evaluate and tune my system? Great segment.

i recently bought a helix DSP PRO mkII and i don't have a clue on how to set this thing up. I bought the Bluetooth module and downloaded DSP PC-TOOL v4 also. Can anyone help?

Thanks brotha

I have a Mini Cooper and the underseat subs 8” are ported and chuffing when high volume is annoying. Have you ever fix a mini under seat speaker enclosure?

That's mostly door construction. Never been impressed with VW, American, Subaru, Nissan, etc. Luxury and expensive cars often either reduce or fix this entirely. Different materials have different resonating frequencies which are difficult to manage with conventional techniques. The most impressive technique I've seen is chaining different materials together that cancel eachother's resonance out. It takes some engineering, like tuning the sound of the exhaust, but a valuable feature no doubt.

Hi Peter,

The song by the band Moloko with the song "Time is now" is also a very good song to discover possible vibrations. Have you ever tried it?

Great videoand great explanation. Is a brilliant solution make a enclosure in the door for the midbass and I want to do it in my Peugeot 208 because I don’t like vibratons and I want a perfect sound in my car. I want to install 3 way Focal PS165F3E and is very important for me the sound quality. It’s a hard work and expensive but I think is necessary. Thanks a lot 🙏 I will follow your channel, you are really an artist 👌🏻

Pete! They need to get you on the old fashioned car audio podcast! You’re consistently pushing the industry forward with your understanding of acoustics and application. It would be great to hear you chopping it up with Matt Schaefer and Gary Bell. Great video!🍻 🔊 🔊

I’ve always found that VW and Audi are built fairly solid and have little buzzing from factory, and with a little dampening can increase sound quality greatly.

You're right: everyone who used the closed box will never return to freeair... I was understood it when I made closed boxes on 8 liter for ScanSpeak... I'm happy!
I see James's face and it says: the new sound is more accurate and balanced, but the "life has disappeared" in it...
this is predictable when using high equalizer values... this is a useful video, Peter, thank you!

I bought an old 1995 Lexus LS400 as a second car. I'm planning a modest build. The doors have separate speaker enclosures, which I plan on adding sound deadening. I'll probably enlarge the fronts to 6.5 from 5.25. I know its a very old car, but any recommendations of what speakers would work in a small factory enclosure? Also, these have small ports, should I enlarge the tiny ports or seal them and add more power?

P. S. I would like to thank you for all your videos that have helped me design and tune in my other car. I have come a long way since the 90's when I just threw a bunch of amps and speakers in. I now enjoy the music again, but for completely different reasons. I still like it loud, but no longer for the sake of just being loud. Thank you.

What is the best Hi-Fi speaker (I'm looking for some deep bass)❤

Doors are a pain. I definitely like the idea of going with an enclosure in the doors. Finding space for kick panel installations on small modern cars just seems like a pain. The Mazda enclosures looked fantastic.

On another note, I just don't like a-pillar pods like these. Seems like a visibility hinderance; at least on my tiny car they would be. :) And where I'm at they're a nice bit of advertising to would-be thieves. It's definitely function over form here, and function always wins for me but the form bugs me. :) The a-pillar pods you did on the Cube were just the right ticket. Looked almost perfectly factory. I wonder if using a 2" midrange could get the same result on VW A-pillars.

I got all the PS SOUNDS demo, SQ and IB tracks! Cancelled the siriusxm garbage sounds! THANKS

The woman who sings "No ordinary Love" is pronounced "Shah-Day"

I recommend you to set the lower frequencies to 12 slope on the midwoofer, but you can relax the speaker's oscillation that way, 80hz 12 slope.

The man indirectly talks a lot and teaches nothing. He managed to end the video.

do you sometimes test or listen to Yello music?

Interesting, but for me its a commuter car and with all the road and traffic noise I am not expecting the same fidelity I get from my home system. Its good enough for the amount of time I spend in it and all the noises that enter the cabin.

Only car that doesnt have huge issues with door midbass speakers is e39 5series bmw, doorcard is really rigid. Just tiny amount of sound insulation to pockets, new mounting clips. Than ofcourse the outer door skin need some too.

I've got a Golf 7 for which I soundproofed the door panels, the ones you take off, the door faces. The factory speakers were terrible, UNTIL soundproofing the door faces alone. A lot of rattle was coming from the rubber trim that covers the big hole in the front doors. It's edge that was sealing the hole was making so much noise against the metal it was sitting on. I managed to put some anti-screech tape between the rubber edge and the door edge and the rattle was gone. I just listened to the first song (New Order 2016 Remasterd) and wow, no rattle, no screeching and a very nice kick, even @ max volume. The speaker, player/amplifier are stock, they are around 20 W, but they sound very good once you eliminate the rattles. The rear view mirror is vibrating form those 20 W of stock power. I plan to put some soundproofing material on the inside and outside doors and behind the speaker. You must really put some effort into soundproofing the door faces, it takes about 1-1.5 hours for each one to make it silent. I even had to take them out 2 or 3 times for making the rattles to be a non-issue. I even had to take the windows module out of it's place and mess with it for some time to make it silent. But those 20 W are sounding so much better now !

Miss your stuff my guy🎉🤜

Thumbs up because I was just about to dispose of my New Order Best Of/ Rest Of cd's and sell my Hybrid Audio 3 way bespoke (L1 pro R2 tweets) until I heard this, lucky me thought to see a recent video of yours, damn impressive and worth the time as the others you posted.

Hola saludos tengo un jetta mk5 con el mismo problema. Coloqué debajo de asiento FOCAL ISUB TWIN al sistema 3 vias activo.Por que no tengo un pssound en mi zona 😢.

Definitely check out RAW-CAt he’s building a proper sound system and experiments with amp measurements, very interesting content .

Excellent video.
What is your opinion on placing subwoofers on rear side panels on a three door car like mk4 Golf?

"The Very Thought of You", by Michael Buble. The opening lyrics can make a subpar doorcard rattle like crazy.

If you had a car you wanted to keep stock appearance wise and thus did not want to build enclosures, would a good alternative be to move the midbass production to the rear shelf via DSP? I know a lot of rear shelves open up to the trunk, would that mount of air make it ineffective for that frequency range?

Build the Right Enclosures !!!
Resonate Free is the Way to Be!!!

Is there coming a build vid on this car😁

Does this really mean even 2 liter enclosure is better option than original place in door?

I'm hoping to get The Suzuki demo someday...

I would really love to have you listen to my car… Maybe you remember… I got in touch some times ago to get my car built by you… Distance was sort of an obstacle and I had a build made in Germany. The mids are in the doors…I made the test with this Blue Monday song, wondering and I have actually been really surprised… It comes out really good !

Or you take your eyeballs out and they fit cameras..😂..edy..you always crack me up!

Mental when you hear the accuracy on the bass guitar, you can hear the notes whereas with the fronts it becomes muddy and blurred and the notes aren’t defined! Also the kick drum is just tighter. You can hear one note ending before the next starts. I don’t have room to do mid bass in kicks in my rs4 so a cheap £20 pair of enclosures from a scrap c6 Audi a6 is what’s going into my doors when I get round to it will require some cutting but the results should be outstanding! Especially after hearing the sound difference on this video!

Honestly, I experienced this in my Navigator’s doors. The CDT Midwoofers simply did not sound properly. I finally posted a sound demo on my channel AFTER I replaced them with much shallower Recoils, and while it sounds great now, the midbass is sort of lost. Sooo, now, do I: build midwoofer pods on both kicks? Do I do one 10” IB on passenger side for midbass? Questions questions.

Nice video Peter! Brax ml3 you say nice midrange, What midrange would you recommend for the best price/quality? Thank you

I will never go midbass n the doors again for a proper system. I have mine in the kicks and any future car will be cut according if no oem space exists. The difference is night and day.

Great topic to show Peter, goes to show how bad doors are for speaker location. Even when there well deadned, looking forward to the door builds for my next installment. I'm buzzing more than my doors after this improvement lol 😀❤❤.

There was a guy in the US just this past week on FB showing how he put JL Audio 6” w3 subs in the front doors of a truck and he swore they sounded amazing. I laughed so hard. He definitely doesn’t know how to measure never mind eq(Tune) but he was passing on a false message and I hope people go to the correct channels to properly educate themselves. FB seems to be a sespit of false info and average audio shops around the world. This is the only place the world needs to come to.

Can’t recommend Patreon enough.

maybe a better door would be a better test, that speaker is mounted on detachable inner panel.

I fully agree.. even with a front sub and 90-100hz xo there were still buzzes on most tracks.. now I've build 6.5-7l enclosures and the midbass is on another level.

I would rather install my mid bass with a proper enclosure in a Driver and passenger side door.

Great vídeo 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

While I agree a door will always be inferior to a proper enclosure, I hope to change your mind about MB in doors. Project upcoming in 2/24 hopefully.