The Bell Curve: The most controversial book ever in science | Richard Haier and Lex Fridman

You are allowed to praise for their stereotypical positive attributes, their physical qualities (check the NFL, NBA, track & field and boxing), their musical abilities, their ability to dance and never be called a racist. But if you discuss or ponder any of the stereotypical negative attributes, crime, promiscuity, drug abuse, low intelligence, violence or work ethic, be prepared to be called racist.. The good and the bad attributes are both supported by statistics and common observations in society. The sad thing is, you cannot address a problem if you refuse to identify the cause.

if i compare myslef to people of my own race thats nothing fancy
. buuuut if you compare your race to other races its fiiireeeworks.😃 even if it was true that some race is better than others that NO EXCUSE to be a jerk.

Did this research shows like black people are less smart? I don’t get it?!

Read it ,made sense.

Pretty sure Origin of Species and Dialogo Sopra i Due Massimi Sistemi del Mondo were far more contravesial.

It was nice topic to see someone discussing about people potential, IQ. This things should be researched intensively.👍👍👍

Marhematic has never been controversial. controversial is that people believe, whole world should spin around their feelings ,not around fact and scientic proofsand logic.

General IQ is pattern recognition and that IQ is much more important than knowledge IQ as in school test for example.

Is this for real?

I will be curious to know the IQ of Asian Americans compared to Caucasians. Anybody done that study?

As a racist this conversation makes me mad.

One of the biggest flaws in assessing "intelligence" is using it as a singular item rather than a spectrum of different types of intelligences.

I dont see how no one takes into account that there is a population in this country that was not allowed to read or write.. had families destroyed.. and were hunted if they ever tried to read or write or escape.. then u free those people and give them a test that was created to prove that those people are less intellectual that is based on subjective material that you have to have knowledge of before hand.. then try to use that data to say that intelligence is genetic.. bravo 👏🏽 goal post successfully moved 👏🏽

I’d be curious to see if millennials and Gen Z lost or gained IQ compared with previous generations with the educational system the way it is.

Evolution isn't politically correct. Some races built civilizations and other races destroy those civilizations. Some races send men into space and others send men back into the caves. Some races build great cities and other races turn those cities into dystopian ruins. Some races build first world civilizations and other races built third world civilizations.

The eugenecists would like you to believe there is nothing to see here. Im thinking there is probably all kinds of information on this subject that has been supressed.

Most controversial book ever? I am not sure about that. The kind of furore that Darwin's Origin of Species caused was, I think, much greater.

IT IS TRUE. - It's because of the tilt of the earth's axis! We are creatures on the way out of the animal kingdom, i.e. animals live according to the 'myself first principle' and with the help of intelligent and felt energy, it develops. And because of the four seasons on the northern globe and two at the equator. i.e. that those who were in the northern part were more challenged due to weather shelter and shelter from the weather, hunting, clothing etc. in the equatorial area it was very hot in the summer and still warm enough in the winter that the creatures did not have to be as creative as those in the north.and over many millions of years of development it has resulted in a difference in the amount of intelligence energy >Google translate <

Brilliant discussion. I believe that the studies should continue to see if there are genetic differences and what they are. I also believe now more than ever, science and technology can bridge the gaps and optimize performance and be the best of oneself. We can't all be Einstein, Usain Bolt, nor Schwarzenegger, but there is huge playing field that can be explored and achieved if we identify and know the gaps, and then close the gaps. Can Nuerolink, Artificial Intelligence, or other technologies some day bridge that gap; I guess we'll never know if we don't challenge ourselves to chase the truth.

Lex Fridman, shame on you !

If you need to build a bridge, is anybody stupid enough to say "well, let's only look for engineers among asians since they have the highest IQ scores"...???!! The utter absurdity of such a question should be self-apparent. There are few, quite possibly literally no, social problems, issues, or projects we should address based on the assumption that one race is "on average genetically" more intelligent than another. If you're trying to solve a problem or carry out a project you should, in theory, just accept anybody and everybody who is best qualified for the project, and guaranteed for 99+% of such projects you will have members of all races in that pool of acceptable candidates. Thus, the question of what accounts for the differences is academic and simply does not matter, especially given the fact that morally speaking we take for granted, at least in western political philosophy, the sanctity of the individual, as opposed to their identity as part of a collective. The government exists to protect people's individual rights, not their group rights.

The colleges of education are filled with activist devouring mothers with scam grad degrees dictating third hand incestuous philosophy to younger versions of themselves.

Make of that what you will.

What about the monozygotic twins argument. Even if reared apart they display a huge correlation in IQ (+0.75). Doesn't that prove that IQ is mostly genetically determined?

This is about culture - not evolution. We all come from Africa.

IQ tests are as much pseudoscience as lie detector tests

Excellent.

There are obviously differences in IQ amongst races...

1. Lex asked if research can be used to increase the amount of racism or hate…Haier’s answer was I dont want racists to dictate what is researched. Sure…but that wasn’t the question.

2. The scientific method can absolutely be racist or exhibit any other type of bias. Lets say group A is better at task A and group B task B. If the scientist community accepts that task A is the standard by which to determine “intelligence” and completely reject task B then group A will be found to be more intelligent than group B. The idea that human beings can shed their biases and be objective requires the person to be aware of their own biases. Theres a reason why we say academia is indoctrination - professors often teach students how to “look” at a problem.

To me it’s obvious that race and cultural differences are the beginning signs of new species forming. Humans are like birds on different islands with different bird songs, food and predators. There are brown bears and polar bears. It’s the most natural obvious shit.

There is no known way to increase IQ unfortunately.

Why did you not interview the author?

ANIMALS are also VERY intelligent. Start treating them with lots more respect!

Conservatives really do wish that every argument could be reduced down to first order principles. Its so easy to just automatically believe in statements like "black people are stupider than white people are" than actually go through the research and educate themselves

Because if people could have nuanced thought they wouldnt be conservatives

Sprint is racism😂

IQ tests and sprints are both real. Black ppl think police and IQ tests are both SYSTEMATIC racism.😂

most shoplifters are what color?😂

The question I always had is why even look at race to find group differences? Tom Sowell notes simply that given a married (a word which to be fair has lost any legitimate meaning) father and a mother who live together and raise their children gives those children significant advantages irrespective of other factors. The solution to any perceived problem is for government to step away from the cauldron as it simply has no way to understand how those molecules mix. These kinds of basic actions (or more precisely ceasing actions) would release what would occur naturally absent government meddling and improve the situation soon. And releasing educations to the control of parents and not government lackeys would be a good start - read support for private and alternative education.

So much for the american dream then 🥸

Let's discuss it. Call me a racist. Just proves how empty the left is.

It is unfortunate that Lex and the guest did not mention any thing about another controversy of “The Bell Curve”: data about Jewish and East Asian people!

This was the beginning of politics telling Science whst the answer is
And when they don't control the Science they ban what they don't like
There is no doubt there are Group differences .

In today's world who would ever trust the CRT racists in our Universities
Like Harvard just prooved.

Believe that there was a study of Jews where one of the sects had
Higher IQs than the others
There are other data that say inbreeding also causes lower IQS

And it all does come to the Individuals
Thomas Sowell is a case in point

Did Arthur Jensen say
1. That scientists had definitely found evidence that IQ differences between the races were mostly genetic, or
2. That scientists should consider the hypothesis that genetics controls IQ?

Males are over represented in the prison system. Does this make legal systems inherently sexist towards males? Obviously we do not treat all men as criminals but there is a biological inclination for violence in men as a general population. We can be proactive and empower ourselves with this information. As a man, I am aware of my biological inclinations and make efforts to avoid anti social outcomes. I am NOT asking that the legal system be revised with less regard for potential victims or be more lenient to men because of our violent inclinations.

I guess don’t trust the science is now in vogue on the left

"Iq tests" are very vague. Many of the tests from Africa were taken very dubiously, some from mental institutions on mentally ill children.

How intelligent do you expect children of slaves to be when they were freed in 1865 and a paper was published in 1860, less than 100 years later saying they’re less intelligent. Decedents of SLAVES. 50 years after that there are African American billionaires and presidents. How unintelligent are they really🤔. I’m sure environmental factors played a role at the time of the writing of the paper just as much as it does. Mississippi only ratified the abolishment of slavery in 2013.

Lexs religion of science is amusing when it fits his own personal held beliefs. He’s like the bully that becomes a cop. Oh I’m smart because I have a degree. I liked him until the Kanye interview


Just think of the generational gap in education. Africans for 200 years kids and parents standing in rice fields of knee high water in the sweltering sun building America while for 200 years white kids and parents were learning reading, writing, math, science, etc

I’d rather my tax dollars go to feeding and educating kids then to bombs and killing Or killing other ethnicities kids

Fact of the matter is; we ALL come from the same place. Some have had better opportunities than others which can have a domino effect on people for generations. Another, if you believe a racial-scientific study from the 60’s you need to look inwards.

There has always been one group of people who have always wanted to claim they are more intelligent then others this is no different. As a both a Black and White man with a 142 IQ the bell curve is a absurd hypothesis. Both white black green and yellow can be strong fast and intelligent its up to the individual and it may been genetic but guaranteed that gene runs through every race. Yall stop with the my color is smarter than darker colors. If we knew history well see this argument has never ended and some groups allways come up with more reasons to try to prove their superiority over others.