Transplanted Englishmen - Gettysburg

Just makes me wish the Flashman Papers for the American Civil War had been written.

You British had your own civil war…didn’t you?

Hell….us Brits have had MANY civil wars lol

The brit is just one "absolute shower" away from playing the role as if he's Terry Thomas

I keep forgetting how this movie is soaked in Lost Cause BS. The entire reason the Southern States seceded was because they didn't want to get rid of slavery. So they would have never "freed" the slaves under ANY circumstances. The movie also goes out of its way to paint the South as fighting for a rosy chivalric cause of preserving their "way of life." Never mind that "way of life" was society whose very core was the institution of slavery.

I'm sure the usual subscribers to the debunked Lost Cause Myth will jump on this. To that I will merely say, "Letters of Secession." There are also enough reviews of the movie from historians that you can Google on how faulty its narrative was.

On a side note, the Englishman is based on Sir Arthur Lyon Fremantle. He had introduced himself as representing the British Army in order to gain access to the upper echelons of the Confederate leadership. This was actually a lie and he was not in the US under any official role. He was just a battlefield tourist and Europe was having an unusual time of peace, so things were boring for him.

Different dreams different dreams so very sad very sad.

The execution of those lines, “different dreams”... perfect.

The British were supporting the Confederates to win which because of the cotton trade, they were supporting slavery smh. Tell that to the Brits when try to shame the US of being racist.

Royalists-->Cavaliers-->Anglicans-->Virginia-->Confederates/Rebels

Parliamentarians-->Roundheads-->Puritans-->New England-->Union/Yankees

IT WAS THE SAME CIVIL WAR 220 YEARS APART!

Britishman with a fancy accent, tea, redcoat, mustache, and calling Americans Englishmen still 😭

If I remember the book properly, this British officer was actually just a sightseer who went to observe the Civil War out of professional curiosity. So he showed up at Gettysburg in his redcoat uniform and simply let Lee and the other Confederate generals assume that he was an official envoy from Queen Victoria's court, without outright lying about it.

Freemantle should have been in the cover of Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.

"Experiencing Our Bio-Sphere as HUMANKIND We are The Nose, Ears, & Eyes of OUR Lord."

- St. HMAJW."

Itd done him some good to dust up on his Thomas Sowell beforehand. Absolutely NOT the same cultures. Very distinct....I won't get into it but Sowell's research into this is quite fascinating and explains so much....but that's definitely a nope to the same cultures part. It's one of the primary reasons why the south was so far behind economically and socially....again, Sowell for reference.

This always reminds me of a Monty Python sketch

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they really over did it with the doofy english character...all he needed was some fked up teeth

Lee was an excellent tactitian but a poor strategist, and after moving into Pennsylavania had no idea what to do

The British and Canadians won the war of 1812

English fellow gave Lee too much credit. Lee was in reality a mediocre Strategist but a Great Tactician making him a fairly good Army Commander at best. His ability to read his opponents helped in the beginning against the Unions mediocre Army Commanders.
Luck, Northern Incompetence, and knowledge of the Terrain lead to early southern Victories but when faced with competent opposition such as Grant, Sherman, Meade and a few others who used the unions advantages the Confederates lost.

Tragically, he was sooooo right on the question of Slavery question!! If the South had Emancipated their Slaves, England, France, and Perhaps Spain would most Definitely had Granted Recognition of the Confederacy and would have came into the War on her Side to Split America into 2 Pieces to Weaken her!!

The Americans having a CIVIL WAR

The Brits: Here's our chance to invade them again Lads.

Freemantle says something very interesting when he asked about their own Civil War once. He basically laughs at it and says “we would never dream of it now”. That is in reference of how the modern world at the time were appalled that a civilized nation was at war with eachother over slavery. And long term this is a shot at how civil war shouldn’t be celebrated or glorified. You know how many monuments commemorate the English Civil War? 2….

The Brit’s comment on trenches made me wonder if in lore he would have been in the Crimea which was only 7 years before Gettysburg and how that war was defined by both trenches and complete and utter chaos caused by some of the most incompetent generals in history who were totally unprepared for the war and then only a year later from Gettysburg, Lee’s Army would be throwing up trenches like there was no tomorrow and made Grant suffer enormous casualties until Grant bottled him up in Petersburg

Englishman with a cup of tea on battlefield. No clichee at all. Monty Python shows war more realisticlly. Just the tiger in America is missing

","Dictatorship naturally arises out of Democracy, and the most aggravated form of Tyranny and Slavery out of the most Extreme Liberty. PLATO"."
- St. HMAJW."

"It's over, Anakin. I have the high ground."

"The KING should not interrupt into the Lives of the Citizens He represents to the HEAVENS to include Himself into a NEW translation of the BIBLE!!!"
- St. HMAJW."

Some say that English and American civil war are the continuation war.

Interesting enough, except for his paternal paternal side, Longstreet had a lot more English ancestry. His paternal side was Dutch.

Longstreet’s paternal paternal side was only Dutch. He was English on the rest of his ancestry

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"Adolf Hitler in America is not known as the WORST ever Leader of Deutschland because the Yanks haven't had Him elected yet!!!"
- St. HMAJW."

look at your names Lee Hood Longstreet Jackson Stuart Meade the Hooker Hancock Lincoln

Yes Colonel Fremantle. The United States was an English and later British colony. That's why many of their inhabitants had English ancestry. Does it make sense??

"Torture brings down the name of our organisation."
- Andrew John Whitbread."

"The footnotes of Peace SHOULD NOT be a hypocrisy against the lullaby of Freedom between THEM!"! ! ! ! ! !
- St. Anzac SkyKnight."

"The footnotes of Peace SHOULD NOT be a hypocrisy against the lullaby of Freedom between THEM!"! ! ! ! ! !
- St. Anzac SkyKnight."

May the President Walk THE SHINING PATH!"! ! ! ! ! !
- St. SkyKnight Wattle."

Is the cliche of an Englishman with a cup of tea to make up the actors terrible accent?

look at your names Lee Hood Longstreet Jackson Stuart Meade the Hooker Hancock and shall i say Lincoln

Surprised the effete Brit officer wasn't decked out in a colourful frilly corseted dress, blonde wig and red lipstick.

Even if this movie exaggerated certain things, they hit the proverbial nail on the head with their portrayal of Longstreet here. Longstreet was arguably the smartest and most logical personality in the entire Confederacy, which partly explains why after the war he became a leading champion of the rights of newly freed slaves and a Republican politician - much to the horror of many of his former Confederate colleagues.

The acting in this movie is fucking atrocious

If the southerners didn't want to preserve slavery, they wouldn't have rebelled in the first place